Men shouldn't get plastic surgery.

[Rolfe]

You'll notice a bad plastic surgery job specifically because it is bad. You won't notice a good plastic surgery job because it is good. The fact that you can hold up some examples of bad surgeries doesn't in any way present a defensible case that people therefore shouldn't get it.

This was exactly what I was going to post.

Frankly, if you can tell that someone has had cosmetic surgery, the surgeon is a bungler. (I except the cases where before and after pictures exist, and the reason you can tell is simply that the improvement is too marked to have been achieved any other way.)

There's some tradition in the USA of overdoing facelifts, for example, with patients looking like they've stepped into a wind tunnel. This isn't an argument for not having a facelift, it's an argument for avoiding that surgeon like the plague.

I do understand the argument about anaesthetic and surgical risks, however many aesthetic plastic surgeons are highly ethical professionals, and they don't seem to think the risks are prohibitive.

Rolfe.

 

[arthwollipot]

Sure but that's no reason for people not to ever have surgery. It's a liberal choice that people are entitled to choose if they wish to, saying "no one should ever do it" is quite unfair.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I was saying...

Like I said, I have been given compelling reasons for women to want breast reduction surgery, and for them to want breast enlargement surgery. I am absolutely not of the opinion that "no one should ever do it".

 

[ponderingturtle]

Had Patrick Dempsey never had a nose job would he still be as appealing to women? I agree cosmetic surgery is a mistake in almost all cases, and that it looks especially bad on men. It can lead to loss of facial expression too which should be one of the biggest assets in any actor's list of talents.

Confirmation bias. You only notice the bad cases, and unless you had before and after pictures you wouldn't notice the good ones

 

[ponderingturtle]

I do feel the same about cosmetic dental work, but I can live with people who aren't physically perfect. My own teeth could use work but they'll never see it. My nose has a bump but I'm okay with that too.

So can we agree that anyone who gets their smile straightened is shallow and superficial? Braces are so unnecessary.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Well, it's partially what the OP said - that people look worse after bad cosmetic surgery than they did before (Michael Jackson's nose as an example),

Which one? Did he look so much worse in the mid 80's when he started to get work done on his nose?

 

[EvilSmurf]

there is a difference between Good plastic surgery and awful plastic surgery.

 

[Legend]

Yeah, because that's exactly what I was saying...

Like I said, I have been given compelling reasons for women to want breast reduction surgery, and for them to want breast enlargement surgery. I am absolutely not of the opinion that "no one should ever do it".

Sorry, I was referring to this, I misquoted accidentally:

No-one should get plastic surgery based solely on trying to approve their appearance.

That's what I meant to quote.

The point stands, now with the correct quote .

Alex.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I'm watching Jay Leno's show right now and he's got Garry Shandling on. Shandling looks like he's wearing a mask. Women look bad enough when they have work done, but men look ridiculous. Bruce Jenner, Kenny Rogers, Mickey Rourke. Men should just accept the aging process.

Steve S

I took me a while to realize who was playing the Senator in Iron Man 2. It wasn't until he began talking that I started to recognize the speech mannerisms, and discover that it was Shandling. He looked familiar, but not like Gary Shandling.

Rourke as well, whose plastic surgery a few years back still confuses me.

What did he see in the mirror that made him decide "I need to change this face"?

I don't get it.

DR

 

[pgwenthold]

Here's something that I wonder about: Does Kenny Rogers realize that he had REALLY bad plastic surgery, and looks like a mutant? Does he look in the mirror in the morning and think, "Man, I look so much better now that I have had plastic surgery!"?

It's not uncommon for people to have a completely unrealistic view of their bodies. Anorexics can be all bones, and still see themselves as fat, and this is known to happen for other aspects of appearance, too.

I just wonder if Kenny Rogers realizes...

 

[Complexity]

It's up the individual. Their body, their choice. Why is it acceptable to pierce or tattoo your body for decorate purposes, but somehow wrong to use medical science to alter its appearance? Yeah, there are people who make bad choices, who go too far, and have bad results. That's true of tattooing and piercing as well--and every other human activity.

I agree.

Of course, we can still make fun of people at whim.

 

[kerikiwi]

Should such people be forced to live disfigured?

You said no one should have plastic surgery solely to improve appearance.

 

[talkie toaster]

I agree with Wolfman. Aside from the obvious issue of people having a right to do whatever the hell they want to themselves without having ethical fingers pointed at them, we should acknowledge that we do live in a highly superficial society, good looking people get the better end of the stick.

I know it is true, because I am a gorgeous specimen of human being and everyone worships me like a god. I feel so bad for the sad ugly people around me, it makes me want to buy them all nosejobs.

It can be a real downer sometimes being perfect in every possible way.

Maybe we should start a support group for the perfect ones.

 

[sgtbaker]

Here's something that I wonder about: Does Kenny Rogers realize that he had REALLY bad plastic surgery, and looks like a mutant? Does he look in the mirror in the morning and think, "Man, I look so much better now that I have had plastic surgery!"?

It's not uncommon for people to have a completely unrealistic view of their bodies. Anorexics can be all bones, and still see themselves as fat, and this is known to happen for other aspects of appearance, too.

I just wonder if Kenny Rogers realizes...

It's called Body Dysmorphic Syndrome. It's a matter of being hyper-self-conscious of a feature that you think everyone is noticing and laughing at. They perceive or actually have a flaw in their appearance that they wish they could hide or fix. Everyone experiences to a mild degree; like having a giant pimple that you are self conscious about or worse, having a cold sore that a person feels is the first thing everyone else sees. Only with Dysmorphia, it's a feature that doesn't go away. If they fix that, they find another flaw and so on. It's a mental disorder usually comorbid with OCD or major depressives.

I can't say Kenny Rogers has this particular disorder but with Celebs the self consciousness is exacerbated by the fact that people really are pointing and laughing at every single flaw.

 

[pgwenthold]

I can't say Kenny Rogers has this particular disorder but with Celebs the self consciousness is exacerbated by the fact that people really are pointing and laughing at every single flaw.

I don't think people were really having all that much to say about Kenny Rogers.

In fact, I think people are for the most part, pretty understanding when it comes to aging, even with celebrities, at least in their looks. Then again, I saw the Beach Boys on Dancing with the Stars a couple of months ago, and it wasn't that they looked old, but that they played old. Couldn't sing a lick.

I don't care that he looked old if he could still sing. I think the same would be true for Kenny Rogers. Now he looks Jack-playing-the-Joker goofy. He could still sing, but he has drawn attention to his looks.

 

[Aoidoi]

I took me a while to realize who was playing the Senator in Iron Man 2. It wasn't until he began talking that I started to recognize the speech mannerisms, and discover that it was Shandling. He looked familiar, but not like Gary Shandling.

Rourke as well, whose plastic surgery a few years back still confuses me.

What did he see in the mirror that made him decide "I need to change this face"?

I don't get it.

DR

Heh, I had the same reaction watching Iron Man 2 last night. But I couldn't say it was from plastic surgery so much as that Shandler's entire neck/chin area seemed to have become one. His head sort of flowed into his neck with no real delineation... which I guess could be from plastic surgery, but I can't figure out what they were trying to accomplish. I sort of figured it was just the old man jowely thing that I've seen some guys get, but it certainly looked... off.

His appearance actually worked pretty well for the character, now that I think of it. I've seen a lot of politicians with no necks.

Speaking of which, if Scarlett Johansson has had work done then her surgeon is a freaking genius.

 

[Walter Ego]

Aside from fifty-something lionking, I'm curious to know the ages of the men in this thread who agree with the OP.

May I suggest you might have a different opinion in ten, twenty or thirty years?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Aside from fifty-something lionking, I'm curious to know the ages of the men in this thread who agree with the OP.

May I suggest you might have a different opinion in ten, twenty or thirty years?

I see no reason why I would get plastic surgery. But I am not sure that it should be stigmatized either. Sure you can point to bad work easily, but you never notice the good work. If I had a feature that I thought really could be improved I might have a different view.

 

[steve s]

Thanks for all the responses. I certainly wouldn't begrudge someone who was disfigured from getting work done. My complaint is with people who think "Oh, no, I've got some wrinkles. Time to start shooting my face and lips full of crap." Shandling looked like he even had his lips injected. What kind of guy thinks "My lips just aren't puffy enough." As others have mentioned, botox and lip injections tend to look worse than what the person originally looked like.

Here's something that I wonder about: Does Kenny Rogers realize that he had REALLY bad plastic surgery, and looks like a mutant? Does he look in the mirror in the morning and think, "Man, I look so much better now that I have had plastic surgery!"?

Given the amount of flack that Leno and Letterman gave him, I'm sure he's aware.


And for the record, I'm 46, bald, and getting wrinkles around my eyes.

Steve S

 

[Robo Sapien]

Can plastic surgery fix the fat wrinkle in the back of my head?

 

[Wowbagger]

There was a quote I remember from somewhere. I don't remember where. It might have been The Simpsons, but I could be wrong. But, anyway, it went a little something like this:

"They haven't, yet, perfected plastic surgery, to the point where you actually look better, afterwards."