Men shouldn't get plastic surgery.

I think a working definition of 'silly' could be where the state of some parts of a person's body do not match the state of other parts, or where they are totally out of proportion.
 
sgtbaker said:
Would you have had the same issue if he was dressed to your standards and went after her?
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Funny you should ask. Been there, done that. I've had to tell aging Lotharios in the workplace to quit slobbering over the young female interns. I've also had to tell an intern that hot pants and a tube top are not appropriate workplace attire. I've had to speak to employees about hygiene, breath and BO. Not to mention alcohol fumes, and perfumes that would gag a maggot. I could list a couple dozen more such issues, including gossiping, and racial slurs. I've broken up a couple of fistfights. Does all this make me judgmental? Damn right, and too bad. Occasionally somebody has to exercise a little judgment when others fail to do so.

You may not believe it, but I handled these issues with commendable tact and charm. Then I closed the door to my office and either laughed my ass off, or smacked my head against the wall in astonishment at the extents of human folly. Was that talking behind their backs? Right again. At least I was only talking to myself. Oh, OK, some nights the dog got an earful. But the dog had better judgment than some people I've known. So, adjudge me judgmental if you like, I don't mind.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
I think a working definition of 'silly' could be where the state of some parts of a person's body do not match the state of other parts, or where they are totally out of proportion.
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That happens most often without surgical procedures. That's why symmetry is synonymous with beauty. The more symmetrical a person's face is, the more likely they are to be considered attractive.

You may not believe it, but I handled these issues with commendable tact and charm.
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I don't doubt that you can be tactful and I didn't judge you, I said it made you come off as judgemental. I just see a little bit of irony in this thread. How harshly the OPer came down on Gary Shandling when he could have been doing it to avoid the discussions of how old he looks. It's hurtful, I've heard it said about me and it didn't feel good at all. That's not vanity, that's insecurity. We all get old but some have a harder time with it. People are making fun of people's looks after they made an attempt to prevent people from making fun of their looks. A little compassion, people!
 
sgtbaker said:
That happens most often without surgical procedures. That's why symmetry is synonymous with beauty. The more symmetrical a person's face is, the more likely they are to be considered attractive.

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I wasn't thinking of symmetry as such, but more how the look of a part of a person's body does not match another part close by. E.g., smooth skin on the face and wrinkles on the neck, or a tiny waist and huge breasts.

Sure these things can happen naturally, but typically the appearance of our bodies deteriorates fairly evenly all over as we age.
 
There is a problem with the argument that you just don't notice the good examples. At least among celebrities, it DOES get noticed and published and talked about, in the very same information sources where the bad ones are pointed out. There are magazines and TV shows that regularly run updates about what famous people look like compared to the last time they were seen and photographed, with articles analyzing every single thing about them that's changed in any way (surgery, fashion, diet, exercise, hair style, where they shop, what they buy, what vehicle they're riding/driving, who they're with, how they react to certain people around them... so it's not just operations, but those are included whenever any of the experts about these people think they've spotted any tiny change in appearance of any kind). I don't know how many, but there have to be people whose full-time jobs are just the collection and comparison of images of the same person from different and places and times just to keep this supply of features on the subject constantly going. That includes things that they judge as good as well as thing that they judge as bad.
 
Yes, the celebrities are the group most likely to be spotted because of the photographic record. However, I don't think they're necessarily very representative, in that many of them have the money and the inclination to push it a fair bit further than the ordinary person might. Also, a lot of the celebrity commentary I see seems to consist of vitriolic criticism of any cosmetic work, whether or not the result is good. Look at that sour-grapes article about Anne Robinson, whose most recent procedure has produced frankly amazing results.

Sure, people make bad decisions, and a bad surgeon can make a mess even of a potentially good decision. But to go from that to saying no, nobody should ever have cosmetic surgery, seems a bit wholesale, and a bit judgmental too.

Rolfe.
 
Delvo said:
There is a problem with the argument that you just don't notice the good examples. At least among celebrities, it DOES get noticed and published and talked about, in the very same information sources where the bad ones are pointed out.
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This assumes that one follows gossip rags instead of just judging them by what they see.

That includes things that they judge as good as well as thing that they judge as bad.
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Sure but I pay no attention to them.
 
Rolfe said:
Sure, people make bad decisions, and a bad surgeon can make a mess even of a potentially good decision. But to go from that to saying no, nobody should ever have cosmetic surgery, seems a bit wholesale, and a bit judgmental too.

Rolfe.
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Has anyone here said that? My advice is that people should avoid extremes.
 
Rolfe said:
Did you read the title of the thread?

"People should avoid extremes" is hardly contentious, but hardly worth a thread either.

Rolfe.
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Now that's what I call irony. And just when I was beginning to fear you had no sense of humor. Good one. ROFL

Oh wait... Rolfe... ROFL... Now I get it... Brilliant! Keep 'em coming pal.
 
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sgtbaker said:
It's hurtful, I've heard it said about me and it didn't feel good at all. That's not vanity, that's insecurity. We all get old but some have a harder time with it.
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I just want to be clear, I meant things being said about me looking older or not so hot these days. I have never had plastic surgery. I would consider it, given the opportunity but just to repair some of the damage having three babies so close together did to the skin on my stomach.
 
sgtbaker said:
I just want to be clear, I meant things being said about me looking older or not so hot these days. I have never had plastic surgery. I would consider it, given the opportunity but just to repair some of the damage having three babies so close together did to the skin on my stomach.
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Dear sgtbaker,

If you're reasonably confident that will make you happier, perhaps more at ease in a 2 piece, then I urge you to do it, and wish you success and joy of it.

On the other hand, if you are also considering having the size of your breasts increased by a factor of 4 (assuming it is, at present, within the normal range) then compassion compels me to urge you to reconsider, and perhaps get some counseling.

In any case, what ever you decide, my sincere best wishes.
 
a3sigma said:
Dear sgtbaker,

If you're reasonably confident that will make you happier, perhaps more at ease in a 2 piece, then I urge you to do it, and wish you success and joy of it.

On the other hand, if you are also considering having the size of your breasts increased by a factor of 4 (assuming it is, at present, within the normal range) then compassion compels me to urge you to reconsider, and perhaps get some counseling.

In any case, what ever you decide, my sincere best wishes.
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Oh no I just realized that the dedication to which I was defending plastic surgery possibly made it sound like I was defensive because I had some changes made. The funny thing is, the only time I was actually started saving for augmentation was to make them smaller because they were disproportionatly larger.
 
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