The Freeman Movement and England

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A bit more on parliamentary sovereignty:

Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/sovereignty.cfm
 
I have already told you that the legal system was changed after 1066. I have already advised you to read several books. And to become familiar with the Golden Rule. More than this I cannot suggest, since this is step 1.

When you do this write again and I will be happy to answer your specific questions. The 'English Common Law' is a bastardised form of Common Law. It is the system of the modern legal industry.

Stacey Grove said:
I assume not English common law?
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I have already told you that the legal system was changed after 1066. I have already advised you to read several books. And to become familiar with the Golden Rule. More than this I cannot suggest, since this is step 1.

When you do this write again and I will be happy to answer your specific questions. The 'English Common Law' is a bastardised form of Common Law. It is the system of the modern legal industry.
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Which one? the statutory interpretation one? the 'do as you be done by' one? the Gordon Brown one?

Coming from old Norman stock I can't quite understand your beef with 1066. William the Bastard invaded, he won at Hasting & as was the custom of the day annexed England into his fief (right of conquest - a well establish rule of Roman law). He and his descendents then changed the law to suit their purposes. So what?
 
lunatics are back in charge

posted by spoonogsback on ickes in response to the capital letters myth

Hi there fellers ....lol good to be back !

Ok the NAME game still floating about eh ? lol

Right where oh where to begin.... hymmmm.

Ok firstly ! You do not "have" a name ! surprised ? Well don't be, you may believe you have but, that's just your belief. I mean you can't see feel it smell it taste it etc.

It does not exist .... why do I say such a thing ? well for example if you say your name is "Bob" and you swear "take Oath" that it is ... I know you are lying... ! Why, because I can find lots of others that will say their NAME is Bob too .... well someone is lying right ?

So then what do you "have" well you have the ability to recognize !
An utterance from one to another may be recognized by the one that hears .... Unless they choose to ignore the caller.

That's it folks simple as that .....

Think of in this way for a moment ....

try a little experiment with yourself (thought only ... lol )

Call aloud the following .....

N = (pronounced) EN

AM = (pronounced) AM

E = (pronounced) EE

EN AM EE EN AM EE ENAMEE ENEMY ! ! ! ... lol

So whats your NAME = do you want to be your own worst Enemy ? ?

Well give the wrong guy your name and thats exactly what you'll become....

Anyway ! how come you folk don't seem to ask these folk "what are you going to do with that information, if I give it to you" ?

Why are you not asking them "Are you going to use that (Name) information to hurt me in some way or cause me loss" ?

Why are you not asking "Are you seeking testimony from me" ? or "Are you asking me to testify against myself" ?

If you think of "your NAME" as a baseball bat and I confront you and say ... " hey buddy! give me your base ball bat" ! are you going to do so ... to a stranger that may use it to beat the **** out of you with ???

If the stranger says to you "Yes I am going to use the NAME (baseball bat) against you would you still Give it ? ? ?

Would you think you are protecting yourself if you give it to him/her while saying it is commonly called a baseball bat as you hand it over ? ?

I do wish you lot out there would think these points over .....

If you say I am commonly called XXX of the Family XXXX YOU ARE STILL GIVING YOUR BASEBALL BAT TO THEM..... and they like to play !

I would ask what is it you intend on doing with that information ?

If pressed (or assisted...lol) by them into giving them some information .... then whats the rush .... I'lll wait till I see their Boss (you know the guy in the High Chair) and I would then ask him/her the same question ?

So folks in a nutshell (I can't believe I'm gonna say this) I agree with number 6 and Asky to a point .... (Yikes) lol the NAME or how it is written is complete bullcrap ...... Caps upper lower etc. who cares ... it's not my property either way, not intellectual, physical, Legally or any other blinking way ......

Phew! lol I'm glad I got that out.... ok folks chat to you all later .......

Me ... lol
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I fail to see the relevance of the Golden Rule (either the Ancient Greek philosophy or the usage in law to clarify what might otherwise be an absurd decision) to any of Especially's posts here.
 
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Your post is irrelevant to the subject of this thread. Unless you post on the topic of this thread I have no energy to discuss further with you. I have already advised on reading material and am prepared to discuss the law of this land with anyone who is willing to discuss it.
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My post is relevant to the refutation of your appeal to your own authority, which is the only supporting evidence you have offered in this thread that doesn't directly refute the point you're trying to support with it. I have already pointed out that there's no point discussing anything with someone who is incapable of comprehending the content of the discussion. But please feel free, if you're honest about having no energy to discuss further with me, not to reply to this post. Any form of reply will simply indicate that you can't even describe your own behaviour with any form of authority.

Dave
 
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I, on the other hand, do, which is why I keep replying to yours. But the very serious point is that your entire argument is an appeal to your own authority, and I am countering this by the argument - ad hominem, to be sure, but in response to an appeal to one's own authority the ad hominem argument becomes informally valid - that your level of ignorance of the most basic common knowledge is so extraordinarily vast that your opinion cannot be considered to be an informed one on any subject.

Dave
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Your post is irrelevant to the subject of this thread. Unless you post on the topic of this thread I have no energy to discuss further with you. I have already advised on reading material and am prepared to discuss the law of this land with anyone who is willing to discuss it.

- return to sender -
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Looks as if he's refusing to consent to interacting with you Dave.

Dave
 
The earth isn't rotating, the sun orbits the earth, and man has not been to space.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5868794#post5868794
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5868880#post5868880
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5868923#post5868923


This really just made my day:

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Of course the Sun orbits the Earth.
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I wonder if Ptolemy knew the common law in Especially's alternate universe?
 
Toke said:
Yes, I may confuse FMOTL with An-Caps, or maybe there is a large overlap.



Yes, that is it.
I once read a novel from the ships library about an alternate Libertopia world, it involved the import of a nuke from this world and all the ideological problems that caused.
"By what right do you stop them before detonation instead of punishing them afterwards"
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Oh, snap! I read that about 30 years ago...it was by a dude named L. Neil Smith...it was ok but....yeesh..politics...
 
Dave_46 said:
I'll consent to gravity existing "pre-1066", but didn't someone called Newton have something to do with formulating the "law of gravity" somewhat later than this?

Dave
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Ah, but that's the same as FOTLer common law, you see. Common law is immutable and eternal, it is the thing-in-itself of law, it is Platonic in its perfection of form, Scipio heard its echoes when he dreamed the music of the spheres - it only waits to be discovered by those who have eyes to see like Newton "discovered" the law of gravity. Shake off your strawman and be free!
 
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Slaves are those who must apply for their own freedom to be granted to them by their masters. Must apply for permits to do what is already lawful. And must conform with each and every statute created by bogus parliaments and a bogus legal system. These statutes even being falsely called 'laws'. Since a free man knows what is lawful requires no permit, licence or grant from anyone - because he is acting lawfully, within the law.

The elegant simplicity of the Common Law - the Rule of Law - to which even Parliaments, kings, rulers, men and women are themselves subject. As a matter of plain fact. And none other. A system so great it cannot be improved on. A system which is instead impersonated by corrupt politicians, corrupt lawyers, and by a whole industry of feudal and corporate control. It's called slavery.

But the Law of the land remains the law of the land and so do the lawful Rights of the governed and their sovereign power of consent. Because the very same Law applies to all. Any king, parliament, or court who acts contrary to the law of this land is unlawful.
 
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Slaves are those who must apply for their own freedom. Must apply for permits to do what is already lawful. And must conform with each and every statute created by the bogus parliaments and bogus legal system. These statutes even being falsely called 'laws'.

Against which is the elegant simplicity of the Common Law - the Rule of Law - to which all Parliaments, kings, rulers, men and women are themselves subject. As a matter of plain fact. And none other. A system so great it cannot be improved on. A system which is instead impersonated by corrupt politicians, corrupt lawyers, and by the whole industry of control. It's called slavery.

But the Law of the land remains the law of the land and so do the lawful Rights of the governed and their sovereign power of consent. Because the same Law applies to all.
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Of course the Sun orbits the Earth.
 
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