The Freeman Movement and England

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Architect said:
I'm reading the posts from the numpty who got done for doing 70 in a 50 limit. I hate to draw a hasty conclusion, but his approach to structure, grammar, and spelling don't leave me thinking that this is the sharpest card in the pack.
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None of them are the brightest buttons in the box,just take a look at the David Icke forums.
 
Toke said:
I have never gotten a good explanation of where the FMOTL think laws come from.
Just some hand waving about natural and/or god given.

Could you tell me who writes down the laws, and decide e.g. if something should be written in blue, red, or purple ink, and at what angle?
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And written with a crayon.
 
jargon buster quoted a TPUC nutter:
Your tv cost £1000.00 total price 17.5% was VAT.
when you go to pay, (use cash, as you have control of the amount you pay) remove 17.5% thats £175.00, now pay the shop £825.00 and leave with your item
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They cannot even understand that £1000 inclusive of vat @ 17.5% does not equate to £175.00 of vat.
 
This guy (skipper) has just posted this gem of advice
dont reply to them, dont fill in any paper work or sign anything, go about your day as you are innocent, let the police come to your door, you dont have to answer, they aint gonna stand there all day, its up to them to catch you its up to you to avoid them, simple game of cat and mouse.
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http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13358&start=20

This type of nonsense is what should be "moderated" but is encouraged????
I got banned for posting an alternative viewpoint :rolleyes:

asky/JB
 
First as your bolding indicates there is zero chance that they'd be allowed to leave with the TV. The probability that shop security would throw them out approaches 1.

But then dredging up memories of contract law isn't most of contract law still common law? The displayed price is an "invitation to treat" by the shop. Their offer to pay is just that an "offer" which the store then gets to choose whether to "accept" - or not.

BTW: something that really winds me up are all their letters where they try to tell me that if I, or the Court or the Police don't reply within 7 days we've accepted whatever fool schedule, or legal maxim they've downloaded. Under common law a contract cannot be inferred from silence.
(I make it a point NOT to acknowledge any of these letters though the temptation is well nigh irresistable. My FOTL case files have two separate folders for correspondence - one for "sane" one for "insane". Usually I do send at least one letter suggesting they seek legal advice - to a) salve my conscience and b) cover me)
 
The thing I love about the VAT dispute is it shows how utterly clueless the FOTL crowd is. If it works like sales tax in the US (and my understanding is that it does for the relevance of what I have to say here) then no sane retailer would agree to this, because they would still be on the hook to pay the VAT themselves, even if they did not collect it from you.

If I ran a retail establishment and some FOTL crank tried to pull this on me, that would be sufficient reason to point them to the sign that states "We reserve the right to refuse service to anybody" and state that I am invoking my rights in the sign to refuse to contract to allow them continued presence to my property and ask them to leave.

This is in addition to the rest of the FOTL insanity that thinks that money to pay for services received from government is magically created out of nothingness (see other postes about banks just creating money).
 
jargon buster quoted "skipper" of TPUC:

dont reply to them, dont fill in any paper work or sign anything, go about your day as you are innocent, let the police come to your door, you dont have to answer, they aint gonna stand there all day, its up to them to catch you its up to you to avoid them, simple game of cat and mouse.
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So skipper's advice to arrest the magistrate has now changed to: "perhaps it may be best to avoid the police".
 
cwalner said:
The thing I love about the VAT dispute is it shows how utterly clueless the FOTL crowd is. If it works like sales tax in the US (and my understanding is that it does for the relevance of what I have to say here) then no sane retailer would agree to this, because they would still be on the hook to pay the VAT themselves, even if they did not collect it from you.

If I ran a retail establishment and some FOTL crank tried to pull this on me, that would be sufficient reason to point them to the sign that states "We reserve the right to refuse service to anybody" and state that I am invoking my rights in the sign to refuse to contract to allow them continued presence to my property and ask them to leave.
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Another point is that if (for whatever reason) the item is VAT exempt for your purposes - normally business related. You ask for a VAT receipt at the checkout, stash it in your big folder in the office and claim it back at an appropriate date
 
dudalb said:
Some cue in "They Are Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha" by Napoleon the 14th for that rant.
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Not so sure. I consider that as more for their antics in court. As that rant was more a description of Freetopia, "The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum" by Fun Boy Three might be more apropos

Both songs tend to run through my head as I read this thread
 
jargon buster said:
This guy (skipper) has just posted this gem of advice

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dont reply to them, dont fill in any paper work or sign anything, go about your day as you are innocent, let the police come to your door, you dont have to answer, they aint gonna stand there all day, its up to them to catch you its up to you to avoid them, simple game of cat and mouse.

http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13358&start=20

This type of nonsense is what should be "moderated" but is encouraged????
I got banned for posting an alternative viewpoint :rolleyes:

asky/JB
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So far they've sold all they own and now are going to be on the run from the cops.

Being poor and on the lam is no way to live.
 
I just noticed skipper1's signature:

the governments lies are beneth them and thanks to the use of hallucengenic drugs i see through you​

I better understand, now.
 
cwalner said:
The thing I love about the VAT dispute is it shows how utterly clueless the FOTL crowd is. If it works like sales tax in the US (and my understanding is that it does for the relevance of what I have to say here) then no sane retailer would agree to this, because they would still be on the hook to pay the VAT themselves, even if they did not collect it from you.

If I ran a retail establishment and some FOTL crank tried to pull this on me, that would be sufficient reason to point them to the sign that states "We reserve the right to refuse service to anybody" and state that I am invoking my rights in the sign to refuse to contract to allow them continued presence to my property and ask them to leave.

This is in addition to the rest of the FOTL insanity that thinks that money to pay for services received from government is magically created out of nothingness (see other postes about banks just creating money).
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According to the freemen the money comes from your bond. What this means i have no clue. I sure would like to claim my bond though, anyone know what magic spell i must chant to make this happen or must i pay Manard £250 to download the exact letter to send to whomever holds the bond.
 
Unfrortunatly menards "paper package" comes with a disclaimer saying it doesnt work (yet they still buy it:confused:)
By the way keep refering to it as a "paper package" because apparently it has some legal meaning and could get Menard banged up.(What the legal meaning is I dont know and cant be bothered looking. A guy named David Merrill used the phrase and Menard got all upset so I decided to carry on with it)

JB/asky
 
David Merrill is David Merrill Van Pelt another nut job.
It appears he and Menard have fallen out.
Van Pelt has recently filed a lien for $20million against the State of Colorado.
It's all on Quatloos.
 
jargon buster said:
Unfrortunatly menards "paper package" comes with a disclaimer saying it doesnt work (yet they still buy it:confused:)
By the way keep refering to it as a "paper package" because apparently it has some legal meaning and could get Menard banged up.(What the legal meaning is I dont know and cant be bothered looking. A guy named David Merrill used the phrase and Menard got all upset so I decided to carry on with it)

JB/asky
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It seems as though Menard has made this how he makes money now - selling legal woo to the sheeple. Im guessing he doesn't like it mentioned since at least one Law Society in Canada has their eye on them. In the US what he is doing would be easily considered practicing law without a license - which is against the law. I'm guessing it would be the same in Canada.
 
BobHaulk said:
According to the freemen the money comes from your bond. What this means i have no clue. I sure would like to claim my bond though, anyone know what magic spell i must chant to make this happen or must i pay Manard £250 to download the exact letter to send to whomever holds the bond.
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"The bond" is indeed the FOTL answer to everything a Freeman has to do that requires money. Its a fictional construct created by the US sovereignty movement in the 1990s that is a mix of Federal Reserve conspiracy theories. The myth is that when you are born you are sold into slavery by the government in exchange for a bond that is traded internationally. However, since The Elite overlooked in their scheme to sell you into slavery that they did not get your consent, you can revoke your consent and get access to your multi-million dollar bond which is your birth right.

Interestingly, when you ask for evidence from those who have claimed to accessed their bond, you never get a response.

I cannot imagine why.
 
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