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...Richard Gage destroyed by Kim Hill

The "criticisms" against all the versions of LC are all fact based. Go read them. The "mockery" of it is that after multiple tries, they still get the facts wrong. That's the central problem; with multiple tries, they still don't reflect the established factual base of knowledge.

In mentioning LC, you actually help illustrate my point perfectly. The LC boys don't let facts inform their modifications; rather, they try to find different ways to spin the same central thesis. To their credit, they dropped a few of the more asinine idiocies, but that doesn't change the fact that they're not letting reality inform their worldview.

Thank you. You help underline my point perfectly. Next issue?

The "criticisms" against all the different versions of official version and just the debunkers here alone are MAJOR.

The one and only criteria debunkers have in endorsing any kind of information on 9/11 is just as long as it doesn't stray too far from the current official version whatever that might be at the time. Looking back I couldn't believe how the skeptics here got slapped back in line with the NIST WTC7 report. That was hilarious considering all the nonsense they were belligerently ranting for years. And that's just one aspect of the debunker ever evolving story.

You are welcome. Does that slap still sting?
 
I'm interested in the same way you are interested. No kidding. But supposedly we are the minority according to the debunkers here. We are all over since 2006. Nothing to discuss here as far as debunkers are concerned. We should just be made fun of, suspended, banned, and silenced. That's not fear Parky? Because it's what I smell.

Try an experiment Algebra: Go register at someplace like P4T and take a debunker stance. See how long you last. Don't bother reporting the result.
 
You are welcome. Does that slap still sting?

honestly, is this why you came to JREF? for zingy one liners like this?

and AJM is right. if I go to P4T and announce I am a debunker, I will be banned on the spot. what are they afraid of hmmmm??

:)
 
I'm interested in the same way you are interested. No kidding. But supposedly we are the minority according to the debunkers here. We are all over since 2006. Nothing to discuss here as far as debunkers are concerned. We should just be made fun of, suspended, banned, and silenced. That's not fear Parky? Because it's what I smell.


Until you guys can get about 100 people at some event as you apparently could in 2006, it's all over for you.

We've had a series of public events here in NYC at which there should have had an "Investigate 9/11" banner on display if not a full-blown street action. Nobody bothered to show up. Oh! the outrage!


The tea-baggers and the Birthers can get hundreds and thousands of people to show up on little notice. The "Truth Movement", not so much. Damn little, actually.

The "Truth Movement" exists only on the Internets.
 
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I'm listening now. Did Gage just say:

"... there's several tons of nano-thermite explosives found in all of the dust samples throughout lower Manhattan."

"Several tons" were found? Really? :boggled:

But in fairness to Gage I do think Ms. Hill beat him over the head with Loose Change too much. Gage clearly had no involvement in that video.
 
Mirage Memories - If you wish to discuss my videos, and especially Chandler's claims,

please visit this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158876&highlight=alienentity

As I stated on the other forum, I will not return to it. The level of abuse towards me which was tolerated by the moderator is just not acceptable, nor is the overall structure of the forum, where users are discriminated against based on their POV and have a Nazi-style brand placed on them.

You'll notice that this forum doesn't operate that way, and that users, no matter what their beliefs, have equal rights and privileges.
 
debunkers are not suspended and banned because of their beliefs..

Yeah I know. In fact debunkers are hardly ever suspended or banned no matter what they do. Anyway is suspension about beliefs here? That's not nice. Do you see what I'm getting at Parky?

You know what I think? I think you meant twoofer instead of debunkers in your quote there. Can't we all just get along?
 
Algebra34- in all seriousness, when I first started to dive into 9-11 issues on the internet, I used to go to Loose Change and P4T Forum, especially when I actually believed their nonsense. and even after I found the truth, that 9-11 was NOT an inside job, I kept going to these forums, just to be a dick.

I created several sock-puppets, cause I couldnt stop going to them to try to educate them, and if that didn't work, to ridicule them until I got banned.

but then 2 years ago, I realized the sillyness and immaturity of such endeavors, and since then I only post here.

it is useless, childish, and a huge waste of time for most debunkers to post at Truther forums. it is equally useless and a huge waste of time for truthers to post at JREF, especially if their clear goal is just to ridicule us, attack us, and make a fool of one's self.

think about that.
 
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Yeah I know. In fact debunkers are hardly ever suspended or banned no matter what they do. Anyway is suspension about beliefs here? That's not nice. Do you see what I'm getting at Parky?

You know what I think? I think you meant twoofer instead of debunkers in your quote there. Can't we all just get along?

yes. i did mean to type "truther". truthers are banned and suspended due to their behavior, not due to their beliefs. its paranoid to think otherwise.
 
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Until you guys can get about 100 people at some event as you apparently could in 2006, it's all over for you.

We've had a series of public events here in NYC at which there should have had an "Investigate 9/11" banner on display if not a full-blown street action. Nobody bothered to show up. Oh! the outrage!


The tea-baggers and the Birthers can get hundreds and thousands of people to show up on little notice. The "Truth Movement", not so much. Damn little, actually.

The "Truth Movement" exists only on the Internets.

Yeah, he has made that claim several times. In addition to the "several tons of molten steel were found at the bottom of the world trade center."
 
alienentity said:
"As I stated on the other forum, I will not return to it. The level of abuse towards me which was tolerated by the moderator is just not acceptable, nor is the overall structure of the forum, where users are discriminated against based on their POV and have a Nazi-style brand placed on them.

You'll notice that this forum doesn't operate that way, and that users, no matter what their beliefs, have equal rights and privileges."
Sorry Mark, I have been a member here for too long to accept that as a truth.

Yes I agree, you faced some 'attitude'.

Nothing an individual with a thick skin couldn't ignore.

A serious credibility mistake was made, imho, when "the other forum's"
best counterclaims were repeatedly ignored.

If your responses fail to contradict opposing evidence, then the arguments are supported by prejudice.

MM
 
I especially like this clip of yours. Pretty good predicting wasn't it ?

The best prediction was on NBC when they said the towers were "leaning" and "maybe buckling" at about 9:07.


How could any interviewer own Gage when your tour guide couldn't?

Gage knew he'd won before the debate even got under way. His face lit up when the belligerent tour guide said: "Why tell the truth when you're appealing for people's well-earned money?".

John Clifton was a breath of fresh air as the Hardfire host. Did he get sacked for displaying impartiality?
 
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Hi MM,

Once again you are incorrect. The author recognized that the forum was not being properly moderated, and as such, personal attacks were being allowed.

Also, out of all the truthers on that forum who responded to the videos, probably only one of them was even close to addressing the problems with David Chandler's video and its claims. The rest preferred to deflect away from the issue, and even resorted to desperate personal attacks, plus sweeping and utterly false statements about debunkers.

When presented with clear, factual rebuttals, the truthers retreated into name-calling and obfuscation, so the author decided not to waste any further time with them.

Your message, while an unfair and inaccurate representation designed as a taunt, was actually one of the more lucid attempts at making a point, and so I responded to it.
In fact you have been one of the most civil truthers I've encountered. It's also too bad I had to cut short my discussion with Headspin, which was halfway interesting (after he/she had calmed down and stopped leaping to false conclusions about my removal of part of Chandler's clip - which btw appears immediately afterwards without the edit in my video).

Any of those persons is free to make a comment here on the thread I created for my videos, or directly on my channel. I've already warned them that if they act like jackasses, I'll remove their comments. Got a problem with that?

Wow your avatar and Kim Hill are the image of each other. lol
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgu...=/images?q=kim+hill+nz+radio&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G
 
Gage knew he'd won before the debate even got under way. His face lit up when the belligerent tour guide said: "Why tell the truth when you're appealing for people's well-earned money?".

John Clifton was a breath of fresh air as the Hardfire host. Did he get sacked for displaying impartiality?

Oh yes he won, with this brilliant display.
Gagebox-full-full.jpg

:dl:
 
Oh yes he won, with this brilliant display.
[qimg]http://911guide.googlepages.com/Gagebox-full.jpg/Gagebox-full-full.jpg[/qimg]
:dl:

Dammit. Beat me.

I've always wondered why Gage chose to put weight in the free-fall box. Did he think it wouldn't fall fast enough to make his point unless he did?
 
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Dammit. Beat me.

I've always wondered why Gage chose to put weight in the free-fall box. Did he think it wouldn't fall fast enough to make his point unless he did?

He thought the way it landed on the table without the weight just looked silly.
 
Your work is done? Did you clock out already? Could have fooled me. Don't you have anywhere else to go?

That woman knew nothing about 9/11. Funny you're a fan.

Well that makes you equal,you know nothing about it too.
 
Looking good? I don't think he came out looking good. Who the hell could come out looking good after arguing with that idiot for an hour? It was hilarious. She knew absolutely nothing about 9/11. There were tears coming down my eyes everytime she opened her mouth I was laughing so hard. How did Gage hold it together? Oh man. That was funny.

Now you're trying too hard,that has a very false ring to it.
 
What I find particularly amusing about this is the fact that the Truthers need to defend Gage's stupidity.

He talked a bunch of nonsense. So much so that Ms. Hill skewered him easily, despite not being particularly well versed in the subject. However, Truthers cannot acknowledge this.

Again, this is because the entire Truth Movement is built upon the perceived credibility of individuals. So whenever Gage says something really dumb, the Truthers can't admit it, can't say "yeah, that part makes no sense," etc., because nothing the guy says is independently verifiable. Therefore, calling into question anything he says means calling into question everything he says, at which point the Truth Movement implodes at free-fall speed.

This is the problem of pseudoscience. You've hitched your cart to an anchor. You have no choice but to follow your leaders, no matter how stupid a direction they go, or else to get off the bus entirely. It's inevitable that over time, you will talk yourselves further and further into odium and obscurity.

Such is not the case for science. Let's suppose, for sake of argument, Sir Steven Hawking professed a belief in ghosts with no evidentiary support whatsoever. This does not mean that his previous work suddenly becomes invalid. That's because his previous work can be replicated. In science, we would say that "Dr. Hawking made some brilliant contributions, but watch out for his kookery about ghosts," and that's all. It does nothing to the establishment, what we've learned, or what we know.

In the Truth Movement, since none of it is verifiable, there is nothing that survives this episode. Consequently, you haven't learned anything.

So, go right ahead, keep defending Gage to the death. You'd be much better served acknowledging that nearly all of what he said is obvious nonsense -- "black iron curtain" of media conspiracy indeed! -- but then, that would be a rational conclusion, and there's no reason to start now when you're doing so well, is there? ;)
 
I asked the debunkers if the news reports were independent or not.

Independent in what way?

If you mean "independent" in that various outlets pay absolutely no attention to one another, then no.

If you mean "independent" in that they don't often use the same sources, then no.

Does it surprise you that media outlets will hear stories from one another and then run with it?
 

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