Because this is the last front of debunkers. Granted not much of a front , but it's all we got except Youtube. And youtube is too loaded with kids. If you know of something more highbrow then point me to it. Lots of people read this place. You and your ilk are not doing good against a small minority even with the moderators on your side.
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Because this is the last front of debunkers. Granted not much of a front , but it's all we got except Youtube. And youtube is too loaded with kids. If you know of something more highbrow then point me to it. Lots of people read this place. You and your ilk are not doing good against a small minority even with the moderators on your side.
ahh, so if all debunkers decided to stop posting at JREF, 9-11 Truth will have won. the revolution will be victorious!!!
wow.
Close your web browser, and 9-11 Truth dissapears. Its a proven fact.
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ElMondoHummus
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It's accurate. It also does not prove that any scripting or control of news reporting occurred. It merely shows that there was a common source for a mistaken report.
Why that is so hard to see, I don't understand, but I don't understand much of what drives you conspiracy peddlers. You realize, do you not, that the existence of "copycat" reporting proves nothing about scripting, don't you? It's the establishment that a script was given that would prove this, and to date, no one has done so yet.
You can pretend that Reuters was the injection point of some government written "script" all you want, but until proof of this is given, all you have is a bare assertion. Not proof. And assertions mean nothing when we're discussing factual history. Provide proof that the report was in fact scripted, and you got us. But you can't use copycatism as proof; that's a symptom, not a cause. Provide actual proof. Without that, you concede the argument.
Your move.
Well, for instance, why all the criticism against the different versions of Loose Change? As if they had all the information on 9/11 when it first came out. What's good enough for the twoofer isn't good enough for the debunker apparently.
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alienentity
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Dude, I read the thread yesterday, regarding the CNN and BBC reports. You've focused on the two mistakes that were made during that traumatic day.
However, you've ignored all the dozens of other news agencies, local and otherwise, which correctly reported the events of the day. That kills your theory, since IF they were all reading from the same script, ALL the news agencies would have reported that WTC7 had collapsed in the morning.
But that didn't happen, did it? Your theory is not supported by the facts.
You ought to also account for the extensive assessments by FDNY, well documented but almost always ignored by the 9/11 truth movement, that WTC7 was deteriorating and was expected to collapse.
Those are demonstrable facts, not just my opinion. If you want the facts you owe it to yourself to learn them!!
cheers
AE
and here...lies the problem. they do NOT want the facts.
they knew the facts on 9-12-01, just like my loser 50 year old bike messenger friend, who was afraid of being arrested by the CIA because he knew the "truth" about 9-11, one day after it happened.
ElMondoHummus
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The "criticisms" against all the versions of LC are all fact based. Go read them. The "mockery" of it is that after multiple tries, they still get the facts wrong. That's the central problem; with multiple tries, they still don't reflect the established factual base of knowledge.
In mentioning LC, you actually help illustrate my point perfectly. The LC boys don't let facts inform their modifications; rather, they try to find different ways to spin the same central thesis. To their credit, they dropped a few of the more asinine idiocies, but that doesn't change the fact that they're not letting reality inform their worldview.
Thank you. You help underline my point perfectly. Next issue?
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DGM
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I would have thought I would have read somewhere about your success convincing the millions of people outside of the internet. Are your followers shy?
Actually debunkers here a while back thought that if they stopped posting then 9/11 truth would go dead here. They just couldn't hang with that strategy. So they then just made a bunch of double accounts here. Double, triple, hundreds? Who knows? I just want to know why? What are you personally afraid of Parky? It's interesting to me.
alienentity
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Really? Initial investigations of the WTC collapses by FEMA established that the plane impacts and fires caused the collapses.
The subsequent NIST investigation further reinforced those conclusions with far more detail and analysis.
Yes, the details have been refined many times, but the original conclusions regarding fire-induced collapse were always correct, and have never been abandoned.
To compare this with the ridiculous truther ramblings of no-planes/missiles hitting the pentagon, or no plane crashing in Shanksville, or Controlled Demolition of WTC buildings, all of which were, and still are, completely incorrect theories, is laughable.
Just because the government endorses an idea doesn't make it incorrect, y'know. Mindless contrarianism gets old real quick.
im interested as to why you and other Truthers keep coming to JREF. you know you can't convince us of your silly ideas. the smart Truthers who have lives and a little self-respect, stay at their own forums, cause they know that debunkers and truthers will never agree.
so why keep coming back?
you actually walk around, go to work, hang out with your friends, go shopping, and think about 9-11??????
that's not healthy my friend. I live in NYC and only think about 9-11 when I drive by GZ, which is once a month....maybe.
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BigAl
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Essentially nobody in NYC does and NYC happens to be where most of the 9/11 eyewitnesses are.
DGM
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So what is your plan to change this? Post here? This is not the sign of a growing movement.
He is projecting. Denial is the ultimate cure for whatever bothers you.
Give them a break Parky. 8 years, and who have they convinced? who? What have they done? really?
As far as a movement goes, they suck. They are the most amotivated, apathetic group. I mean at least Algebra comes here and Trolls. I mean that is more than 95% of the other 8 truthers in existence do.
So he projects. Figures he is gonna be all witty and call us the small group...call us pathetic. Whatever makes him feel better about himself. Like you and others have said, turn of da interwebz, and he and the entire TM go with it...they are nothing...they know it, but like I said...for the Truthers...Denial is the best medicine.
TAM
I'm just digesting 8 dumplings before I jump on my bike. This is just to kill time. Such a gorgeous day out. I'll ride for miles and not see one single Truther. Life is good.
I'm interested in the same way you are interested. No kidding. But supposedly we are the minority according to the debunkers here. We are all over since 2006. Nothing to discuss here as far as debunkers are concerned. We should just be made fun of, suspended, banned, and silenced. That's not fear Parky? Because it's what I smell.
debunkers are not suspended and banned because of their beliefs.
they are suspended and banned because of their rude, uncivil, insulting, threatening, and distasteful behavior on JREF.
I myself have been suspended three times since I first came to JREF. Is that because they hate liberal Social-Democrat peace-seeking Jews? No, its cause I can be compulsive and have a big mouth.
so spare us the martyr routine. spare us the suffering servant BS.
you reap what you sow.
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