Moderated What's wrong with porn?

[Stellafane]

...In short, who really feels that getting paid to have sex on camera is what they want to do with their life?

Rhetorical question, right?

 

[Checkmite]

Porn is boring, predictable, contrived, and intelligence-insulting. Production values are consistently and purposefully second-rate, the soundtracks are talentless, prices are inflated, and creativity is wholly nonexistent. When the only thing you can say in a film's defense is "well, everyone has a right to free speech..." it's a good indicator of the level of artistic merit.

 

[JFrankA]

But you like to keep her aroused. I'd be careful with that one mate if I were you!

I know her, I trust her and I love her. We've had long discussions about our LDR. We have some understandings and rules that we have laid out long ago.

And believe me, it's far far preferable to keep her aroused than not. Being aroused keeps her in a better mood.

 

[JFrankA]

Porn is boring, predictable, contrived, and intelligence-insulting. Production values are consistently and purposefully second-rate, the soundtracks are talentless, prices are inflated, and creativity is wholly nonexistent. When the only thing you can say in a film's defense is "well, everyone has a right to free speech..." it's a good indicator of the level of artistic merit.

You haven't seen it all, then.

 

[ZirconBlue]

Sex between consenting adults isn't a problem.

But can be porn truly consensual? Leaving out men for a moment, does a woman who acts in a movie really want to do so or does she feel pressured into it? Maybe she wants a mainstream film career and sees this as the first stage; how many actresses started out in porn?

Very few. In fact, I suspect having porn on your resume would be a hindrance, not a help.

How many do it simply to get by; to pay the bills?

In short, who really feels that getting paid to have sex on camera is what they want to do with their life?

Who really feels that getting paid to collect garbage is what they want to do with their life? Do you contend that sanitation work is not "truly consensual"? A lot of people don't particularly enjoy their job.

 

[BenBurch]

You haven't seen it all, then.

"Cafe Flesh" (The original)

 

[ponderingturtle]

Sex between consenting adults isn't a problem.

But can be porn truly consensual? Leaving out men for a moment, does a woman who acts in a movie really want to do so or does she feel pressured into it? Maybe she wants a mainstream film career and sees this as the first stage; how many actresses started out in porn?

0-1. Only nameable person I can think of is Sylvester Stalone, and he only made one porn movie.

How many do it simply to get by; to pay the bills?

Does that mean I can sue my job for making me work agaist my consent?

In short, who really feels that getting paid to have sex on camera is what they want to do with their life?

How many people describe their jobs as what they want to do with their life?

 

[WildCat]

We actually have a member here who produces porn for a living, damned if I remember who though.

 

[BenBurch]

We actually have a member here who produces porn for a living, damned if I remember who though.

More than one. But I'm not saying who.

 

[foxholeatheist]

My wife and I were talking about this the other night and to be honest, I don't think that most porn is a very accurate portrayal of sex. It is the ideal where everyone climaxes at the same time and there are no underwear lines and no one farts. Most porn anyway. So I guess porn could be insulting to human sexuality on the whole but defiantly representative of the version of human sexuality that people want to see and are willing to pay for.

Just like Friends and Sex in the City are not accurate portrayals of life in the "real world". Roseanne or perhaps Grace Under Fire would be far closer to what most Americans experience.

If you want a real accurate portrayal of sex I suggest Married With Children.

Eh, maybe in your world everything is made of nerf and there's no sharp corners. Not mine. In mine folks get taken advantage of and cheated and lied to. For every little starlet heading west to California and "Making It" there's a thousand others that end up on a set in Van Nuys sticky with astroglide. The more the merrier I say! Everything is exploitative because if it wasn't no one would be making money and if there's no money then no one is interested.

As long as there is sex there will be a market for the stuff and in all flavors, shapes, sizes and textures.

 

[Zax63]

0-1. Only nameable person I can think of is Sylvester Stalone, and he only made one porn movie.

Nowhere near Stalone but people may know Ginger Lynn Allen, a superstar of porn but never did get more than bit parts in mainstream films & TV. Traci Lords was a bit more successful, which I find ironic as 99% of her adult films was done when she was underage(16-17) and is technically child porn.
I think as time goes by doing porn will be less and less of a stigma. Celebrity sex tapes don't seem to hurt anyone's career these days.

 

[Cainkane1]

Sex between consenting adults isn't a problem.

But can be porn truly consensual? Leaving out men for a moment, does a woman who acts in a movie really want to do so or does she feel pressured into it? Maybe she wants a mainstream film career and sees this as the first stage; how many actresses started out in porn?

How many do it simply to get by; to pay the bills?

In short, who really feels that getting paid to have sex on camera is what they want to do with their life?

This is especially true of the barely legal girls just out of highschool. I enjoy looking at them but I often feel guilty. Do they really want to do "that"?

 

[JFrankA]

More than one. But I'm not saying who.

I'll say it. One of them is me. But I don't make enough money off it to qualify as "doing it for a living".

 

[JFrankA]

This is especially true of the barely legal girls just out of highschool. I enjoy looking at them but I often feel guilty. Do they really want to do "that"?

I know people who do "that" and there's a ton of reasons other than money.

 

[tuc0]

This is especially true of the barely legal girls just out of highschool. I enjoy looking at them but I often feel guilty. Do they really want to do "that"?

Yes, they do (talking about developed countries here). Porn is mainstream nowadays and teens have a very relaxed attitude about it. For every porn star you have dozens of aspiring 'performers' and hundreds of amateurs who do it just for fun.

Times have changed.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Nowhere near Stalone but people may know Ginger Lynn Allen, a superstar of porn but never did get more than bit parts in mainstream films & TV. Traci Lords was a bit more successful, which I find ironic as 99% of her adult films was done when she was underage(16-17) and is technically child porn.
I think as time goes by doing porn will be less and less of a stigma. Celebrity sex tapes don't seem to hurt anyone's career these days.

Ron Jeremy has been in some non porn things as well. There was a recent independant film with Sasha Gray.

The thing is that I don't think that they are all that well related. The skill set to be really good in porn and to be really good in non porn are rather different.

Also as you get into B movies there is a bit of a cross over between say soft core skinimax movies and hardcore movies.

 

[tuc0]

Ron Jeremy has been in some non porn things as well. There was a recent independant film with Sasha Gray.

The best performance of a porn star in a real movie I can think of was Marilyn Chambers in Cronenberg's Rabid back in the 70s.

 

[HansMustermann]

This is especially true of the barely legal girls just out of highschool. I enjoy looking at them but I often feel guilty. Do they really want to do "that"?

Well, I look at some of them and I'm pretty sure that they could earn a living another way if they wanted to.

E.g., Katja Kassin is actually a college graduate IIRC. So I have no problem imagining that she could get a decently paid job if she wanted to, and if not, hey, it's not like Germany is a third world country. She wouldn't exactly starve anyway. So I have trouble picturing it as being anything else than that that's the job she wants to do (within the limits of what's possible), same as any of us, rather than as some poor oppressed victim of porn.

E.g., Asia Carrera did win an academic scholarship at one point, had a job actually teaching at a college at another, and is a Mensa member. And given her computer skills even without having had to put 8 hours a day into it, I have no trouble imagining that she could have gone into IT instead of porn during the bubble. You know, since at the same time when she went into porn, it was also the apex of the age where dot-coms were offering six-figure salaries to any drooling retard who can at least turn a computer on and off. The IPO ratings actually depended on the number of programmers and IT staff, so they were hiring everyone and everything in sight. Sure, it might have taken a little more effort to go that route instead of porn, but again I'd be hard pressed to see it as the screw-or-starve kind of lot in life.

 

[Mark6]

My wife and I were talking about this the other night and to be honest, I don't think that most porn is a very accurate portrayal of sex. It is the ideal where everyone climaxes at the same time and there are no underwear lines and no one farts. Most porn anyway.

True. Which is one of the reasons I prefer amateur stuff.

At least as far as live action is concerned. Oddly enough, my FAVORITE porn are drawings.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

0-1. Only nameable person I can think of is Sylvester Stalone, and he only made one porn movie.

Ever heard of Jackie Chan?
Yep, he admitted to doing a porn flick once in 75 called "All in the Family".

Plus, if you include the definition of "porn" to inlcude not just films but playboy bunnies, then the list could go on for miles.