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The Freeman Movement and England

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Why don't you admit it? The FOTLers are really claiming that there is some magical "common law" that exists without and in spite of all human doings, and that is the only one they are "bound" to unless they consent otherwise. Total and pure BS and they know it - there is no law at all without people making them other than "might makes right". They pretend not to grasp the simple concept that without social constraints of one sort or another - willing cooperation or enforced - there is nothing but wild beasts taking and doing what they want without regard to others. They know it's all just mental masturbation, but it makes them feel "superior" to have "discovered" the principle that if all people were perfect we wouldn't need these other statutes/laws. Bunch of teenagers playing what-if and then thinking it would work without enforcement.
 
fromdownunder said:
Of course. FOTL is nothing but how to bludge off honest people, and be a cheap con-person. There are no principles involved, and as our resident FOTLer on this thread has already given us evidence for, it's all about being a leech. Here you go, Especially, talk to your hero, this being what you aspire to be:

http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2292

Norm
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Jesus F. Christ

I feel sorry for the people who has had to deal with that guy and his paranoid routines :boggled:
 
KDLarsen said:
Jesus F. Christ

I feel sorry for the people who has had to deal with that guy and his paranoid routines :boggled:
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Not so much paranoia but low level fraud and tax evasion that has aparently never risen to the level where it would be worth anyone's time to prosecute the guy.
 
LissaLysikan said:
Why don't you admit it? The FOTLers are really claiming that there is some magical "common law" that exists without and in spite of all human doings, and that is the only one they are "bound" to unless they consent otherwise.
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There is actually a form of law known as Common Law. It is simply not what FOTLers think it is. It has a fairly good history within British jurisprudernce, and is partly the basis and precedent for what is now Statute law,

Norm
 
Oh, I know about that. I live in deep south, US, where "common law marriage" is about as common as legal marriage :D (and it DOES carry legal weight).
I was responding to the FOTL woo version. Guess I should be careful to be clear before people start thinking I'm as shallow as the FOTLers.
 
Agatha said:
*Smacks head* how could I have been so daft? He's not a FreeMAN, he's a FreeLOADER. A Freeloader on the land.
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What sort of answer is that ? Have you ever been conned ? Have you ever seen examples of massive, wholesale, corruption ? Have you grown up to love politics, bankers, officialdom, taxation, lies, and downright fraud so much that you want more of the same ?

What happened to your PERSONAL sovereignty ? Are you a jellyfish without a backbone ? Can you not see that the law IS your friend. That you CAN make a difference. You simply say NO.

A 'freeloader' on the land ? No, not at all. You are just a sucker who believes the state gives you more than you give the state. But please carry on doing so. Because the machine stops if you don't keep shooting yourself in the foot.
 
LissaLysikan said:
Oh, I know about that. I live in deep south, US, where "common law marriage" is about as common as legal marriage :D (and it DOES carry legal weight).
I was responding to the FOTL woo version. Guess I should be careful to be clear before people start thinking I'm as shallow as the FOTLers.
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Check your own history. The great American people knew their own Constitution - the greatest Constitution ever devised by man. And what do you care about it now ? You love your basketball games, your FOX news, and your corporate media. Thomas Paine, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln must be rolling over in their graves at the ignorance of the American people on their own sovereignty.
 
KDLarsen said:
Jesus F. Christ

I feel sorry for the people who has had to deal with that guy and his paranoid routines :boggled:
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Wow, just imagine ! The two most depraved nations on earth ! Lecturing the world about democracy, the consitution and apple pie. While their heads are being buried under the garbage of corporate government, ruthless corporate robo-cops, and no knowledge, none at all, of their own laws, their own great Constitution.

You are sheep that have been sheared and you vote always for more of the same.
 
Try actually reading these documents you spew about. It expressly gives congress the right to make laws.
 
geni said:
Not so much paranoia but low level fraud and tax evasion that has aparently never risen to the level where it would be worth anyone's time to prosecute the guy.
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Tax evasion ? And why do you mention Wat Tyler here ?

Tax IS a fraud. Dumbo. It was a fraud to those who wrote the US Constitution. It was a fraud when King John wrote Magna Carta. And if you pay as 'tax' a commercial contract without ever realising YOU have the power to decline it by saying NO, then, you are, fast asleep.

You are a low level clone of the system. Defending yourself against your own lack of personal sovereignty. And it shows.

OBEY ! OBEY ! OBEY ! Why, it's coming out of the TV screen every day, and you love it !!
 
volatile said:
So.... what does that mean? Can you answer the question directly? What is the point of even going through the theatre of the FMOTL stuff if it can only, logically, be ineffective?

What is the point of all this FMOTL stuff if the powers that be can (and will) just ignore it? It does seem that the people on the forum (and you, too) believe that the words somehow magically compel adherence from otherwise evil judges. That's craziness. It's also crazy to think the the NWO are so evil that they will discard The Law of England, but not evil enough to simply ignore a bureaucratic inconvenience that might impede their evilness. Don't you agree?

So what are you advocating? Armed rebellion? Is that it? Anarchy? What do you suggest is the best course of action should a judge gaol a Freeman? If and when it is transgressed, how is the Common Law of England enforced, and by whom?
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*cough*
 
LissaLysikan said:
Try actually reading these documents you spew about. It expressly gives congress the right to make laws.
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You are utterly confused.

Why not spend a day in your life examining what the LAW of the USA is ? It's the CONSTITUTION, silly !!!

And what has happened to your Constitution ? Congress can make no law contrary to the US Constitution. Right ?

You need to switch off the TV. Take a deep breath. And realise that in the USA there is NO law to have a federal tax. NONE. NONE. NONE. It is contrary to law. But don't believe me. Just check it yourself.

You are like a chicken being fed on chicken meat. Why not exercise your God-given personal SOVEREIGNTY given to you by your own Founding Fathers ?

Get it yet ?
 
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Jesus F. Christ

I feel sorry for the people who has had to deal with that guy and his paranoid routines :boggled:
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Cheap, low-level ? That sounds to me like the ruling elites. And if a person takes back their own personal sovereignty, WOW !!! Let's insult them.

Poor stuff, yes ?
 
fromdownunder said:
So Australia is one of the two most depraved nations on Earth, We are finally recognised for something!

I'm so proud [blush]

Norm
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Last I heard the unelected dynasty of the British monarchy were the lords of Australia ! Together with their barons, knights, princes, royal bottlewashers and together with their fraternities, their scum of the New World Order, and their own corporate fraud merchant bankers.

But correct me if I'm wrong.

LOL :)
 
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Last I heard the unelected dynasty of the British monarchy were the lords of Australia ! Together with their barons, knights, princes, royal bottlewashers and together with their fraternities, their scum of the New World Order, and their own corporate fraud merchant bankers.

But correct me if I'm wrong.

LOL :)
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You are wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

Norm
 
Sledge said:
Newbie to the forum here. This FOTL stuff was a large part of why I joined. Can someone who buys into this idea what the point is? I mean, if the courts refuse to ackowledge what you're saying, what practical value does it have? Or have I missed all the court cases where Freemen (Freemans?) of the Land have won cases because of their system?
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Sledge, the court system to which you refer is NOT the court of the land. It's a commercial court run under rules of the sea, of the Admiralty. They care NOTHING for the law under which you live. The corporate police, corporate political parties, corporate bankers, corporate local government departments, corporate courts and corporate media are conning you.

Take back your own personal SOVEREIGNTY. Say NO to them. You have that right under the law of the land.

Simple.

As for the system, let it disintegrate as all the slaves just keep faithfully being fleeced by it. Over, and over, and over again. Why, I can hear the bailout tins rattling as I speak.

Regards
 
fromdownunder said:
You are wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

Norm
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I stand corrected by the facts you have presented to me. Australia is under the British monarchy. It is ruled by the unelected feudal dynasty of the British monarchy. It is robbing its own people blind.

Why, the Union Jacks are out as soon as your feudal monarch touches the ground. Your courts, your banks, your entire legal system is totally in the control of the New World Order. That wonderful fusion of feudalism, popery and extortion.

Grow up Australia !
 
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