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The Freeman Movement and England

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What nonsense !! Go back to school. You say that Parliament can write any constitution it likes. What hogwash. Parliament does not make laws. It produces only statutes. Statutes are NOT laws. They all require the consent of the governed.[citation needed]
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volatile said:
Or do you think that the simple utterance of a series of words - "I wish to be tried under The Law of England" will cause the judge to throw his hands in the air, curse that I've uncovered the whole dastardly trick, and let me go about my merry tax-dodging ways?
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Volatile: "I wish to be tried under The Law of England."

Judge: "Where the **** do you think you are?"
 
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Taxes for what, exactly ?

If someone sends me a bill for goods and services which I never asked for in the first place I decline it. Don't you ?
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Do you use the roads and/or pavements provided by your local council?

Do you have your rubbish collected?

Do you live under the protection of the crown?
 
I asked a similar question earlier, Mojo, but it was dodged/ignored/sidestepped (delete as applicable).
 
Mojo said:
If you don't know what it is, why did you claim that it runs courts?

By the way, you don't need to put a space before exclamation marks (or question marks).
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You do in English Common Grammar . The way you've been doing it all these years is Admiralty Grammar . Sheep !
 
Agatha said:
*Smacks head* how could I have been so daft? He's not a FreeMAN, he's a FreeLOADER. A Freeloader on the land.
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I don't think so. Especially is too scared to practice what he preaches so he consents to council tax. He even gave up his TV because he was too frightened to argue that the licensing statutes are trumped by common law.
 
Doesn't all this nonsense stem from the general usage and misunderstanding of the word corporation? I see many FOTL websites pointing out the fact that certain government agencies are referred to, in the small print, as corporations.

In the US and the UK today, most understand a corporation to be a commercial enterprise, when in fact, a corporation is an entity separate from those that administer it. So, yes, the US government is a corporation, so is the UK government, local councils, so are none profit organisations... It's a long list.

So, Freepers, illiterate?
 
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JFM said:
Doesn't all this nonsense stem from the general usage and misunderstanding of the word corporation? I see many FOTL websites pointing out the fact that certain government agencies are referred to, in the small print, as corporations.

In the US and the UK today, most understand a corporation to be a commercial enterprise, when in fact, a corporation is an entity separate from those that administer it. So, yes, the US government is a corporation, so is the UK government, local councils, so are none profit organisations... It's a long list.

So, Freepers, illiterate?
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Yes, this is a fundamental issue with the FOTLers. They draw upon the populist hysteria, particularly the hysteria of 2008, to get people to rage against the man since the MAN is registered as a corporation.

I have pointed out to FOTLers again and again that corporations are simply a legal way to ensure large organizations can operate in modern society and that they have a great many benefits, but all they see is corporation and they go nuts. They think its some sort of big finding that the government is a corporation. When you explain to them why this is normal and actually a good thing, they ignore you.

I've even tried showing them examples of why its good to have a corporation for the government (ie, so the entirety of all elected officials are not subpoenaed every time someone has a lawsuit against a random agency, or that there is something to sue if you have a problem with government but cannot identify the direct person hat caused you the problem, etc.) - ultimately though, they ignore it all. They think its some unknown fact that government is a corporation and that this proves they are some sort of business enterprise, regardless of the facts against them.
 
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And what if the corrupt Admiralty judge laughs at my defence, and locks me up anyway? Seriously... I'm interested in who I can call upon in cases where my "OBVIOUS" right under The Law of England is infringed. Or are you seriously suggesting that the corrupt, Jesuit bastard judge will let me go simply on repetition of the words you cite?
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You could try the European Court of Human Rights, but I don't think they have any jurisdiction according to the Freeman Movement.

P.S. What is the plural of "freeman" in this instance? Is it still "freemen" or is it "freemans"?
 
JFM said:
Doesn't all this nonsense stem from the general usage and misunderstanding of the word corporation?
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Partly, also from some use of their mythical version of the Common Law, which has nothing to do with real Common Law. Nothing means what it means to normal people when FOTLers are mangling the qeens anglis


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Newbie to the forum here. This FOTL stuff was a large part of why I joined. Can someone who buys into this idea what the point is? I mean, if the courts refuse to ackowledge what you're saying, what practical value does it have? Or have I missed all the court cases where Freemen (Freemans?) of the Land have won cases because of their system?
 
D'rok said:
No, you misunderstand. He doesn't want to opt out of using services; he wants to opt of of paying for services.

Silly sheep. Don't you know your common law rights?
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So he wants to become a leech on the system?
 
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