No Explosives Here?

atavisms said:
really?

Regardless, 'Appeal to authority' is on the list of logical fallacies bc you can find an expert to say anything.
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It's not a logical fallacy when the expert in question is actually an expert on the subject at hand.

What is Steven Jones' expertise again? David Ray Griffin? Kevin Ryan? :rolleyes:
 
atavisms said:
When people seek the truth they are on the same side. I wish more than anything you were correct but I have reality to contend with.
And just like I cannot believe in a loving god just because it is reassuring to do so, I cannot pretend the facts of 9/11 are other than what they are.

"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." - Winston Churchill
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But, there is no proof of a living god. You have been given a HUGE amount of evidence that is contrary to your belief. So, it is YOU who needs to question your faith about 9/11, not us. The evidence is on OUR side.
 
MikeW said:
Misleading. The reality is that Shaler (the man behind the identification project) has access to many remains that he can't identify because of the condition they were in:

The remains are there, there's just no way to tell who's who. :(
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right! Why? 10,000 body parts frozen for later study.
as per your statement, 'bc they are so badly damaged.'
by what ?? The gravity driven collapse of this 1,350 foot 'highly redundant' (thomas eager) structure fell with such force it did that ?
(yet left the basements intact.)
 
atavisms said:
really?

Regardless, 'Appeal to authority' is on the list of logical fallacies bc you can find an expert to say anything. (ie. Thomas Eager's embarrassment of a paper!
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Why don't you look up what "Appeal To Authority Fallacy" is.
You can say 'You're just wrong" but you cannot explain observed events with the gravity driven collapse hypothesis; only explosives can do that.
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Except the fact that there are dozens of papers, including real peer reviewed paper is respected scientific journals that do this.
As someone who lived through the events in Manhattan, saw the streets littered with body parts and lost two good friends, I find it difficult to fathom where all this hate comes from.
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Wait a minute. You claim body parts like that don't exist.
When people seek the truth they are on the same side. I wish more than anything you were correct but I have reality to contend with.
And just like I cannot believe in a loving god just because it is reassuring to do so, I cannot pretend the facts of 9/11 are other than what they are.
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Yet you do pretend that the facts of 9/11 are other than what they do. You believe a religious theologian has more knowledge of structural engineering than an actual structural engineer that helped design the buildings in question. You ignore the obvious, like explosives are loud and would be recorded by 100% of all recording devices in the area.
 
atavisms said:
right! Why? 10,000 body parts frozen for later study.
as per your statement, 'bc they are so badly damaged.'
by what ?? The gravity driven collapse of this 1,350 foot 'highly redundant' (thomas eager) structure fell with such force it did that ?
(yet left the basements intact.)
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Yeah, who would ever have thought that a building collapse could ever harm the human body. :rolleyes:
 
atavisms said:
right! Why? 10,000 body parts frozen for later study.
as per your statement, 'bc they are so badly damaged.'
by what ?? The gravity driven collapse of this 1,350 foot 'highly redundant' (thomas eager) structure fell with such force it did that ?
(yet left the basements intact.)
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I love it when truthers claim there were so much explosives used in the WTC that it pulverized all of the concrete, and even the people.

And somehow no sound of such an incredible amount of explosives is audible on any recording device used that day, nor were windows blown out by the shock wave, nor was debris blasted miles around.

Quick atavism, switch to therm*te mode!

:dl:
 
atavisms said:
really?

Regardless, 'Appeal to authority' is on the list of logical fallacies bc you can find an expert to say anything. (ie. Thomas Eager's embarrassment of a paper!
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ROFLMAO. Hey twoof. Look up "appeal to authority" logical fallacy. It is when you have NO authority but try to pass it off that it becomes the "appeal to authority." When in fact there is AUTHORITY (you know like the real science about what happened) it is no longer a logical fallacy. It is called proof, support and evidence. Nice try though. Handwave coming in 3...

You can say 'You're just wrong" but you cannot explain observed events with the gravity driven collapse hypothesis; only explosives can do that.
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Nist fully explained it. They could have done it better IMHO, but they fully explained it. Please provide the PROOF that only explosives can do that.

I mean no explosives were used here

complete gravity driven collapse.
or here


YOu might want to tell the french that it is impossible.

I see a lot of personal incredulity here in this forum, not to mention name calling, intolerance and just plain ignorance -
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and the vast majority comes from twoofs... it is rather amazing really.
As someone who lived through the events in Manhattan, saw the streets littered with body parts and lost two good friends, I find it difficult to fathom where all this hate comes from.
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I call BS, but maybe you really are from manhattan.. though I seriously doubt it.
Hate? No. Intense dislike of lying sacks of ****? You bet. 10 minutes of real research and you find out that 99% of the crap you twoofs spew is LIES.

Why does a movement dedicated to the "truth" tell so many lies?

When people seek the truth they are on the same side. I wish more than anything you were correct but I have reality to contend with.
And just like I cannot believe in a loving god just because it is reassuring to do so, I cannot pretend the facts of 9/11 are other than what they are.

"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." - Winston Churchill
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blah blah blah. Nice way to try to wrap a churchill quote in it, but it doesn't change the facts.

If you have PROOF then BRING IT. I'd love to see it. I'd LOVE to blame GWB and the nebulous NWO for 9/11. Unfortunately the evidence does not point to them.
 
atavisms said:
right! Why? 10,000 body parts frozen for later study.
as per your statement, 'bc they are so badly damaged.'
by what ?? The gravity driven collapse of this 1,350 foot 'highly redundant' (thomas eager) structure fell with such force it did that ?
(yet left the basements intact.)
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OH twoof. It helps if you had any idea of biology, physics or chemistry.

Why would they freeze 10,000 body parts that are too badly damaged or decomposed to id? because with technology advancing at the rate it does, hopefully in a few year, they will be able to identify those parts.

Now back to this point about unidentified body parts. How many thousands of tons were dropped on those bodies? Huh? Lets just say a muther ****ing ********.

now how long were those body parts in the piles twoof? Some of them up to 3 months. How long does a human body take to start decomposing? (the answer is almost immediately bacteria attacks the tissue). So 3 months, in small pieces in a HOT PILE full of fires, water and every other gas that was there....

It is amazing that they RECOVERED ANY body parts that were identifable.

What part of that do you not understand?
 
Is this another Poe thread or is this a truther that has been stuck in mum basement for 3 years without an internet connection?
 
WildCat said:
I love it when truthers claim there were so much explosives used in the WTC that it pulverized all of the concrete, and even the people.

And somehow no sound of such an incredible amount of explosives is audible on any recording device used that day, nor were windows blown out by the shock wave, nor was debris blasted miles around.

Quick atavism, switch to therm*te mode!

:dl:
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No blast injuries, no shrapnel injuries... yet these magical tools launched panels several tones over 600 ft! Troofer logic can truly astound!
 
TruthersLie said:
OH twoof. It helps if you had any idea of biology, physics or chemistry.

Why would they freeze 10,000 body parts that are too badly damaged or decomposed to id? because with technology advancing at the rate it does, hopefully in a few year, they will be able to identify those parts.

Now back to this point about unidentified body parts. How many thousands of tons were dropped on those bodies? Huh? Lets just say a muther ****ing ********.

now how long were those body parts in the piles twoof? Some of them up to 3 months. How long does a human body take to start decomposing? (the answer is almost immediately bacteria attacks the tissue). So 3 months, in small pieces in a HOT PILE full of fires...

It is amazing that they RECOVERED ANY body parts that were identifable.

What part of that do you not understand?
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I would venture a guess, everything from "OH" to "understand?".
 
Comrade Raptor said:
No way, man. I'm a No-Mothra believer. There is no evidence of any Mothra at any of the scenes. You're an NWO Mothra-shill!
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You radical amothrists are relying on faith just as much as the Mothra-huggers!

A reasonable amothrist would simply have no belief in Mothra, rather than actively promoting "No Belief in Mothra". As we cannot know for sure if Mothra exists or not, the only sensible position is Mothratic Agnosticism.
 
Horatius said:
You radical amothrists are relying on faith just as much as the Mothra-huggers!

A reasonable amothrist would simply have no belief in Mothra, rather than actively promoting "No Belief in Mothra". As we cannot know for sure if Mothra exists or not, the only sensible position is Mothratic Agnosticism.
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Does this mean I should or shouldn't drink the fruit-flavoured beverage the tiny twins are offering me?

Aw hell, I'll just call Rodan.
 
atavisms said:
right! Why? 10,000 body parts frozen for later study.
as per your statement, 'bc they are so badly damaged.'
by what ?? The gravity driven collapse of this 1,350 foot 'highly redundant' (thomas eager) structure fell with such force it did that ?
(yet left the basements intact.)
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The damage was to the DNA, by the conditions in the pile, as it said in the paragraph I quoted.

And why are you moving the goalposts? You said there was no discernible trace of these victims. You were wrong. Is it asking too much to expect you to acknowledge that before moving on?
 
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