No Explosives Here?

(it was- check it out if you know how)

Do you know how to use the search function here? Each and every one of your claims has been answered extensively. You’re not bothering to take the step to do a search does not bring any greater validity to these claims.

It happens everyday I am sure but we do not very often see it happening. People become invested in their beliefs (world view) and their positions stem from that.

Many people are brought up in one faith and never really question things until they get older. Perhaps one day they reach a point in their own development which takes them in another even contrary direction. Often it is from having been presented with new information that leads to an inner conception or realization. Hopefully, we are all learning for life.

You have the chance to "learn all your life", but you have to make the effort yourself, nobody can do it for you. Press the search button.

Woof!
 
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greetings,

I am confused how anyone could look at the facts of 9/11 and not see explosives in these events. Are we seeing the same images and results here?

http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/explosions.html

shorts vids u'v seen im sure. (just wanna be sure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toUdpeI04pM
**This bottom one was shot while the cameraman was running.. It has been stabilized by holding the building steady and moving the frame.

and in all of those videos do you have the sounds of rapid fire explosions right before the collapse in any of the buildings? no. why not? Explosives make noise. Lots of them.

That is 1,000 lbs of TNT at over a MILE away. Notice how they jump.

please show me a video of anyone nearby right before the buildings collapse wehre they jump. Any video (and don't try passing off the firemen at the phone booth which is AFTER the first tower collapsed)

The only constituents of the Twin Towers that survived the "collapses" in the form of recognizable pieces of any size were their metal parts, such as pieces of structural steel and aluminum cladding. Virtually all the non-metallic parts of the towers and their contents were converted to microscopic dust particles or small unrecognizable fragments. (-jim hoffman)

It is amazing. Absolutely amazing. I know my cell phone could withstand the impact of several hundred thousand tons of debris on them. It is indestructible.


This actually proves it was NOT explosives. When you use CD to bring down a building you bring it down into its own footprint (or pretty close). Each tower had a footprint of one acre. The debris was spread out over 16 acres. oops.

of course you will say well it was EXPLOSIVES which threw the debris that distance, but you then have the problem from above. Where is the sound on the dozens of recordings of the collapses? And to top that off, where is the schrapnel and the debris being thrown around. Again watch the mythbusters clip I posted. At over a MILE you can hear the schrapnel of the cement truck.

Anyone nearby would have been ripped to shreds and debris would have been thrown miles.

Read through the work of dozens of serious scientists who have investigated and are currently investigating 9/11 without prejudice. Look at the images and facts of these events without prejudice or personal incredulity.

Great provide citations which support your claims. Realize that S Jones and co. are not "serious scientists."

Dr Niels Harrit, whose paper has been so ignorantly maligned here on this forum, has run the chemistry dept at the prestigious Niels Bohrs Institute in Copenhagen for 37 years.

That is a lie as has already been pointed. Niels Bohrs Institute is physics and has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMISTRY. And he wasn't "running" that department. 5 minutes of real investigoogling will find that for you.
The (actually) peer-reviewed paper he was the lead author on, (Active Thermitic Materials..) involved 8 other scientists who have no reason to lie. Further studies are being conducted in France & Ct., as per Steven Jones.

Steven Jones was forced to retire or be FIRED from BYU for academic fraud and unethical practices. Yup, he is a "serious" scientist. Of course you could be talking about Kevin Ryan, who was FIRED for talking about what his employer did and being wrong. He is so incompetent his wrongful termination lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice because he couldn't even make basic filing dates. You may want to check into your "leaders" there sparky.

Scientific papers, and scientific bullying
Please provide any scientific papers published in real peer reviewed journals from ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. I'll wait.

aside, I don't need any authority to explain the obvious to me!
No but you do need to go back and maybe finish high school, or ask a real structural engineer to explain what happened to you.

Take a few FACTS:

-Missing Bodies/DNA

Not counting the 122 people on flights 11 & 175 there were approximately
2,630 people in the buildings. Many people died on the streets from falling debris and these must account for most of the 300 intact bodies found because you can clearly see through images the levels of destruction and by what remained of the towers afterwards/ If the concrete was blasted apart what hope for the people?

Ah yes... Missing bodies. Lets see, over 1900 of them were in the towers when they collapsed. They were in the piles for up to 3 months, with fires burnign, high temperatures and water seaping into their remains. It is absolutely amazing that they recovered ANYTHING from anyone in the pile.

Authorities conducted a comprehensive 2 year search for victims by looking through the tons of smaller debris. Having carted it to Freshkills Landfill (*What Popular Mechanics tries unsuccessfully to use to 'debunk' the claim that the structural steel, in fact, had not been shipped directly from Ground Zero to overseas recyclers. (it was- check it out if you know how)

google is your friend, but basic research skills seem beyond you.

In Staten Island, they systematically spread the smaller debris out on conveyor belts which moved past a line of attendants who worked to cull out any body parts they could locate by hand.

Despite this intense and prolonged (2 years) search, and the use of advanced DNA recovery techniques, there remains almost 1100 people completely unaccounted for.
-No discernible trace was found!

Hey sparky, what happens as soon as something dies? Oh it starts to decompose. Guess what happens in HOT WET enviornments? Decompositon SPEEDS UP. OF course that is also leaving out that many of the victims were crushed into paste from the collapse.

The fact is that many people were identified by test tube size pieces (from tens of thousands of body parts recovered) In the case of one family all they got the man's femur which had been located '2.5 blocks away'
200 of the DNA tests matched a single individual. 70 of 343 NYFD personnel located.
Gravity did that?

Yup. Gravity, fires, hot environment and time. Sure did. You may want to stop watching CSI, and actually try to read some stuff on forensics, human decomposition, and the rest.

Demolitions experts have a technique to help them determine the power of any building blast; they look at the macroscopic pieces of concrete. There were virtually no macroscopic pieces of concrete in the debris field of the WTC despite the fact that there were 110 4" reinforced concrete floor slabs in each tower. We have to imagine, whatever so systematically pulveruized all that concrete will do much worse to people

You may want to do 5 minutes of research again sparky. I've seen hundreds of images showing large sections of concrte. It helps if you can actually support your claims.

I'll let others rip this part apart.

-WTC 7's textbook implosion

Whose textbook? Provide a citaiton.
How is a building which has an asymetrical collapse, which damages buildings that are adjacent to it, that has an 18 second collapse with NO SOUNDS OF CD CHARGES going off a "textbook implosion?"


-The residual heat

The fires that would not go out despite a steady stream of water from numerous lines. So much water in fact, that the NYFD were 'creating a lake' in lower Manhattan and still it would not go out.
My understanding is that thermite burns rather quickly. What was it exactly that was burning at ground zero for 99 days?)

It is amazing. ARe you really so daft? I bet you are. Lets see. The fires were not aggressively fought for the first two weeks as the FDNY were in a recovery mode. This means they were not fighting the fires. So there was very little water being sprayed on the pile, which let the fires burn.

Since there were several subways under the WTC complex they fed the fires. Look up underground fires...

try again.

-May 2002 FEMA Reports Evaporated Construction Grade Steel (?huh?)
(through intense high heat corrosion) (?huh?)

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*images from FEMA BPAT (may 2002)
Appendix C: A limited Metallurgical Examination[/I]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

Jim Hoffman wrote, "The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."

Oh sparky. 1. This is from erosion due to high sulphur atmosphere. It is fully explained. Again, basic chemistry. You shoudl try it.


and I'm done with it... I have kids to go and play with.

ta ta sparky.

try to do at least 10 minutes of REAL research... use the SEARCH function, all of these claims have been completely demolished. They pulled it.
 
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greetings,

I am confused how anyone could look at the facts of 9/11 and not see explosives in these events. Are we seeing the same images and results here?

http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/explosions.html

shorts vids u'v seen im sure. (just wanna be sure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toUdpeI04pM
**This bottom one was shot while the cameraman was running.. It has been stabilized by holding the building steady and moving the frame.



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The only constituents of the Twin Towers that survived the "collapses" in the form of recognizable pieces of any size were their metal parts, such as pieces of structural steel and aluminum cladding. Virtually all the non-metallic parts of the towers and their contents were converted to microscopic dust particles or small unrecognizable fragments. (-jim hoffman)

The debris field:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial4.html


Read through the work of dozens of serious scientists who have investigated and are currently investigating 9/11 without prejudice. Look at the images and facts of these events without prejudice or personal incredulity.

Dr Niels Harrit, whose paper has been so ignorantly maligned here on this forum, has run the chemistry dept at the prestigious Niels Bohrs Institute in Copenhagen for 37 years. The (actually) peer-reviewed paper he was the lead author on, (Active Thermitic Materials..) involved 8 other scientists who have no reason to lie. Further studies are being conducted in France & Ct., as per Steven Jones.

Scientific papers, and scientific bullying


aside, I don't need any authority to explain the obvious to me!

Take a few FACTS:

-Missing Bodies/DNA

Not counting the 122 people on flights 11 & 175 there were approximately
2,630 people in the buildings. Many people died on the streets from falling debris and these must account for most of the 300 intact bodies found because you can clearly see through images the levels of destruction and by what remained of the towers afterwards/ If the concrete was blasted apart what hope for the people?

Authorities conducted a comprehensive 2 year search for victims by looking through the tons of smaller debris. Having carted it to Freshkills Landfill (*What Popular Mechanics tries unsuccessfully to use to 'debunk' the claim that the structural steel, in fact, had not been shipped directly from Ground Zero to overseas recyclers. (it was- check it out if you know how)

In Staten Island, they systematically spread the smaller debris out on conveyor belts which moved past a line of attendants who worked to cull out any body parts they could locate by hand.

Despite this intense and prolonged (2 years) search, and the use of advanced DNA recovery techniques, there remains almost 1100 people completely unaccounted for.
-No discernible trace was found!

The fact is that many people were identified by test tube size pieces (from tens of thousands of body parts recovered) In the case of one family all they got the man's femur which had been located '2.5 blocks away'
200 of the DNA tests matched a single individual. 70 of 343 NYFD personnel located.
Gravity did that?

Demolitions experts have a technique to help them determine the power of any building blast; they look at the macroscopic pieces of concrete. There were virtually no macroscopic pieces of concrete in the debris field of the WTC despite the fact that there were 110 4" reinforced concrete floor slabs in each tower. We have to imagine, whatever so systematically pulveruized all that concrete will do much worse to people

-The concrete of WTC 1&2 :
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-WTC 7's textbook implosion

-The residual heat

The fires that would not go out despite a steady stream of water from numerous lines. So much water in fact, that the NYFD were 'creating a lake' in lower Manhattan and still it would not go out.
My understanding is that thermite burns rather quickly. What was it exactly that was burning at ground zero for 99 days?)

-May 2002 FEMA Reports Evaporated Construction Grade Steel (?huh?)
(through intense high heat corrosion) (?huh?)

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_349174ab560a729cdf.jpg[/qimg]
*images from FEMA BPAT (may 2002)
Appendix C: A limited Metallurgical Examination[/I]
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

Jim Hoffman wrote, "The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."

“A one-inch column has been reduced to Half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes --some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.” -WPI


-Witness testimony to molten metal:

Firefighter Philip Ruvolo, speaking of the Twin Towers, said: “You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel, molten steel, running down the channel rails, like you're in a foundry, like lava." [31]

Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction, which was involved in the clean-up operation, said that he saw pools of “literally molten steel.” [32]

Leslie Robertson, a member of the engineering firm that designed the Twin Towers. [34]

Dr. Ronald Burger of the National Center for Environmental Health. [35]

Dr. Alison Geyh of The Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, who headed up a scientific team that went to the site shortly after 9/11 at the request of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. [36]

Finally, the fact that “molten steel was also found at WTC 7” was added by Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., which was involved in the clean-up. [37] *references please see: DR Griffin's article posted at: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article13528.html


NIST:

"Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?" . . ."NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."
-- NIST Responses to FAQs, August 2006

In follow-up to this response NIST spokesperson Michael Neuman was challenged by Hartford Advocate reporter Jennifer Abel on this glaring omission in the WTC report

ABEL: … what about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?

NEUMAN: Right, because there was no evidence of that.

ABEL: But how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?

NEUMAN: If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time….and the taxpayers money."

This omission is at odds with the requirement of the national standard for fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other pyrotechnics. It is also at odds with the video evidence of explosions, and the testimony of fire department personnel, more than 100 of whom officially reported hearing or seeing explosions. NIST also failed to explain the source of large quantities of molten metal in the WTC rubble, or the abundant amounts of iron microspheres in the dust.

NIST, as a matter of routine, should have tested the WTC dust for residue of explosives, such as nanothermite. The Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations put out by the National Fire Protection Association says that a search for evidence for explosives should be undertaken whenever there has been “high-order damage.” Leaving no doubt about the meaning of this term, the Guide says:

High-order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. [27]

That description applied to the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. The next sentence – “Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet” – applied to the destruction of the Twin Towers, a fact that NIST had to admit in order to explain how fires were started in WTC 7. [28] So NIST should have looked for signs of explosives, such as nanothermite.


*last bit from, http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.co...ts-find-explosives-in-world-trade-center-dust

just for a start.

Just another shill for the truth movement.

Here, go read,

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://wtc.nist.gov/

Of course I know you will not go and read them, but I am required to provide you with something outside of scorn and disgust, so there you go.

TAM:)
 
Other than the explosion of the fuel in/from the tanks, no!

But, I will happily defer to your degree in explosives technology from an accredited University/College.
 
*snip*

greetings,

I am confused how anyone could look at the facts of 9/11 and not see explosives in these events. Are we seeing the same images and results here?

*snip*


There are no explosives.

Since there are no explosives, sane people do not see them in these events.

Just like sane people don't see evil monkeys in their closets.

Do you have an evil monkey in your closet?
 
This thread just goes to show how insulated the hardcore truthers are from the outside world.

Here we have atavisms wandering onto this forum with talking points from 2006 which he honestly thinks are rock solid.

NIST, as a matter of routine, should have tested the WTC dust for residue of explosives, such as nanothermite.

Super-duper-nanothermite is possibly the worst tool imaginable for taking down a building. NIST might as well have tested for nuclear fallout.
 
Its funny when people post crap that was debunked years ago.
Every day, some kid is let loose on the internet unsupervised for the first time and discovers a conspiracy site that hasn't been updated since 2006.
 
There are no explosives.

Since there are no explosives, sane people do not see them in these events.

Just like sane people don't see evil monkeys in their closets.

Do you have an evil monkey in your closet?

Hey now, don't go bringing evil monkeys into this... I see them... and they throw poo!!!

Of course I believe that Mothra did it. After all there is just as much evidence that Mothra did it as there were explosives in the towers.
 
This thread just goes to show how insulated the hardcore truthers are from the outside world.

Here we have atavisms wandering onto this forum with talking points from 2006 which he honestly thinks are rock solid.



Super-duper-nanothermite is possibly the worst tool imaginable for taking down a building. NIST might as well have tested for nuclear fallout.

And Mothra poo... can't forget they forgot to test for pixy dust or sonic vibrations from David Hasselhoff's CD's as the cause either... wait. CD's? Did the Hoff do it?
 
Hey now, don't go bringing evil monkeys into this... I see them... and they throw poo!!!

Of course I believe that Mothra did it. After all there is just as much evidence that Mothra did it as there were explosives in the towers.

No way, man. I'm a No-Mothra believer. There is no evidence of any Mothra at any of the scenes. You're an NWO Mothra-shill!

I put together a compelling case that it was definitely, positively, absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt... Magneto.

Think about it.
 
NFPA921 is guidelines on fire investigation.

I am sure trifiorcharity will school you on this one.



http://www.nfpa.org/catalog/product.asp?pid=92108&order%5Fsrc=A292

AFAIK it is not a legal directive or standard.

NFPA921 is not a legal directive. Once the initial investigation is done by the locaal law enforcement, then and only then does the NFPA or fire department start THEIR investigation. And it is typically to figure out if anything could have been prevented or done differently. It COULD possibly be used as evidence in court, but it typically would only be used in a Civil trial if the fire department was negligent.
Here are some reports that would be common.

http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/LakeWorth.PDF
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/pdf/FIphoenixsum.pdf

The author is using conclusions he found on the Firefighters for 9/11 BS page. It is absolutely wrong, and is used in the wrong context.
 
No way, man. I'm a No-Mothra believer. There is no evidence of any Mothra at any of the scenes. You're an NWO Mothra-shill!

I put together a compelling case that it was definitely, positively, absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt... Magneto.

Think about it.

Wait a minute! Everyone's completely overlooking the fact that no psychic, in the world, saw this coming! Who has the anti-psi cloaking capabilities of this magnitude?! This is a vital clue! Has Magneto entered into some sort of unholy alliance with Prof X???!!!
 
No big concrete?? Right. And that is NOT a car I see in there.

concreteremains2.jpg
 
III: The dean of natural science at KU is called Nils Andersen, and he resigned after the article had been published.

From this link
He informs videnskab.dk that the decision has nothing to do with Niels Harrit’s article, and that he otherwise did not achieve having any experiences with the journals, so that he cannot shed further light on how the journal operates.
So why are your citing this? This is a deceitful attempt to connect his resignation to the scientific article.
 
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III: The dean of natural science at KU is called Nils Andersen, and he resigned after the article had been published.

From this link
He informs videnskab.dk that the decision has nothing to do with Niels Harrit’s article, and that he otherwise did not achieve having any experiences with the journals, so that he cannot shed further light on how the journal operates.
So why are your citing this? This is a deceitful attempt to connect his resignation to the scientific article.
 

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