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Yet more NLP BS

Iknoweverything said:
ok What if I could get you a little script together, something that would take under a minute to perform for you.

You ask a person a series of questions then you ask another final question. The final question would be something like "what colour is grass" The person will 8/10 times answer wrong.

For me its more like 9/10

Let me know and i will post it. I dont really know if this is NLP as such
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I'd be interested in seeing this script. If only to clarify what concept we are actually talking about.
 
Iknoweverything said:
I know exactly how they are all done...

...The bigger picture is always there even though you think you know everything....

I have read hundreds of books...
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well, with a screen name like that...


Lothario said:
The point is: 1) Is NLP any good?
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No.

and specially 2) Can i use any of the techniques ... to get someone to do or feel as i wish?
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Only if they are a willing participant who believes in NLP and are aware of what you're doing.
When it works, NLP therapy operates on the placebo effect. Covert hypnosis doesn't work at all.

I think the only reason relatively smart people get caught up in believing in NLP is because it has all this scientific-sounding rhetoric.
It's as bogus as phrenology - which, I remind you, was considered a legitimate science back in the day.
 
MikeSun5 said:
I think the only reason relatively smart people get caught up in believing in NLP is because it has all this scientific-sounding rhetoric.
It's as bogus as phrenology - which, I remind you, was considered a legitimate science back in the day.
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I agree, but I think another reason why smart people get caught up in it is the old "more is better" thing.

For example, the thinking here is "if a con artist can get a total stranger to give away money with just talking, what he is doing can be used more so that it can be taken further". This kind of thinking, I feel, is the trap that causes a lot of people to believe in NLP and hypnosis.
 
Iknoweverything said:
ok What if I could get you a little script together, something that would take under a minute to perform for you.

You ask a person a series of questions then you ask another final question. The final question would be something like "what colour is grass" The person will 8/10 times answer wrong.

For me its more like 9/10

Let me know and i will post it. I dont really know if this is NLP as such
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I'm still interested in reading the script.
 
Lothario said:
I'm more interested in seeing IKE or any other NLP proponent using these Jedi mind tricks on people.
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I'm sure they'd be delighted to whip up a nice, staged YouTube video for you :D

Realistically though, what you're suggesting starts to approach a controlled test, and that's exactly the sort of thing these NLP salestypes/promoters avoid at all costs. Heck, look at how much effort IKE spent dodging a request to name one type of NLP that he thinks "works"... :)
 
remirol said:
Realistically though, what you're suggesting starts to approach a controlled test, and that's exactly the sort of thing these NLP salestypes/promoters avoid at all costs. Heck, look at how much effort IKE spent dodging a request to name one type of NLP that he thinks "works"... :)
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Perhaps his constant contradictions are an attempt to use "pattern interrupt" on us? :)
 
Lothario said:
I'm more interested in seeing IKE or any other NLP proponent using these Jedi mind tricks on people.
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*waves hand in front of IKE*

Show us the NLP tricks we are looking for.......


(I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.... :D)
 
These guys are everywhere... they claim Obama is using NLP and covert hypnosis methods - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4iDwV7hCmw

"Erickson had no hesitation in presenting any suggested effect as being "hypnosis", whether or not the subject was in a hypnotic state. In fact, he was not hesitant in passing off behaviour that was dubiously hypnotic as being hypnotic." Weitzenhoffer, The Practice of Hypnotism, 2000

Apparently Erickson and other people believed in the power of hypnotic suggestion without any formal hypnotic induction. I still don't get it... what is hypnosis after all? It seems like hypnosis (and NLP) are being used for almost anything. Hypnotic copywriting, sales, seduction, etc. Can the use of hypnotic language make one's speech more persuasive? Considering that in its therapeutical form it relies heavily on placebo effect, isn't it strange that people are applying it to persuasion?
 
Iknoweverything said:
ok What if I could get you a little script together, something that would take under a minute to perform for you.

You ask a person a series of questions then you ask another final question. The final question would be something like "what colour is grass" The person will 8/10 times answer wrong.

For me its more like 9/10

Let me know and i will post it. I dont really know if this is NLP as such
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I'm still interested in reading the script.
 
Ashles said:
I'm still interested in reading the script.
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Non-NLP drivel like this is what he's talking about...

Say these numbers out loud, in succession:
3
33
333
3333
33,333
333,333

Now QUICKLY think of a color and a tool. First ones in your mind.



Most people will pick "red hammer." Old Banachek stuff, but not NLP.


Or make someone say the word "go" as the answer to 5 consecutive questions and ask them what they do at a red light. 9 out of 10 will say "go." That's not NLP either, my mom taught me that one. :)
 
Iknoweverything said:
ok What if I could get you a little script together, something that would take under a minute to perform for you.

You ask a person a series of questions then you ask another final question. The final question would be something like "what colour is grass" The person will 8/10 times answer wrong.

For me its more like 9/10

Let me know and i will post it. I dont really know if this is NLP as such
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I'm still interested in reading the script.
 
I'm sure he'll be glad to tell us what he's been up to once he comes back. I predict it will involve NLP, beautiful women and trips around the world.

Meanwhile, i'll try to revive this thread. This news story is being used as an ad for one of those conversational (covert) hypnosis courses: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7309947.stm

Watch the footage. This is the course i'm talking about, by a man named Igor Ledochowski: http://www.conversational-hypnosis.com/?gclid=CN3_mI-RoZsCFaAA4wodaEjkBw#closebar
I was referred to it, once again, by a hypnotherapist.
 
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