Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Spektator said:
Hope this is not too off-topic, but the phantom lion is still said to be roaming the suburban wilds of a nearby county. However, even though there are now more witnesses, the sightings don't seem to make a whole heck of a lot of sense. According to this story in the Gainesville (Ga) newspaper, some people say it's an African lion, some say it's a mountain lion. One man swore it left scat in his yard, but the poop isn't any kind of cat poop. Another one found its paw print, but the print turned out to be from a bear. Someone else said it killed his chickens, but the physical evidence suggests dogs were to blame. Meanwhile, no lions have turned up, and some people are suggesting that folks might be seeing nothing more than a house cat. Others are supposing that some pet owner has lost his exotic big cat . . . though no big cat has actually been photographed and efforts to lure one into a trap have resulted in no captures.

I offer this only because it seems to indicate that at least some bigfoot witnesses may not have seen what they thought they saw.
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It always could have been a stealthy Puma, or big feline. Do you even realize that felines are one of the most secretive and sly animals of them all?

For every phantom lion case there is, there are several real cases that turn up to be true.
 
makaya325 said:
It always could have been a stealthy Puma, or big feline. Do you even realize that felines are one of the most secretive and sly animals of them all?

For every phantom lion case there is, there are several real cases that turn up to be true.
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I suppose it might be. I understand from the findings of Thomas Smothers that pumas are crafty about hiding in crevasses.
 
WGBH said:
Yes, and that is the direction I am leaning in for an explanation. Not the restroom/drain theory.
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Putting the pee pee smell aside for a minute, I'm going to give people some links who might be wondering what we are talking about. I am talking to John (WGBH) about two things. One his his alleged sighting of a 9 x 6 ft Bigfoot in the swamp in Pasquatank County NC, close to the Pasquatank River, near Elizabeth City and the Great Dismal Swamp.

Here are two links for that encounter story:

Deer hunter witnesses a large, gorilla like animal

'Round the mulberry bush

The other thing I am discussing with John here is an excursion he went on in April with his Bigfoot enthusiast organization, the American Bigfoot Society. More information can be found here:

Sasquatch Watch Radio: Guests are the ABS Expedition Team

2009 Expedition Discussion Squatchwatch Radio, Salt Fork State Park

John, how do you think it is that the state of Ohio and the people that run the Salt Fork State Park have been unable to confirm the massive rock-throwing monster wood-apes loose in their recreational park?
 
kitakaze said:
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The other thing I am discussing with John here is an excursion he went on in April with his Bigfoot research organization, the American Bigfoot Society.

John, how do you think it is that the state of Ohio and the people that run the Salt Fork State Park have been unable to confirm the massive rock-throwing monster wood-apes loose in their recreational park?
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Because they do not go out looking for it.
 
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But WGBH, you and dozens of others do go out looking for it in that area alone -- never mind all the other groups around the USA which also "go out looking for it" -- and still there is no non-hoaxable, independently verified evidence for the animal's existence. Doesn't this tell you anything?

Also, if the animal really exists, it seems plausible that a 9x6 animal is going to be spotted whether you're "out looking for the thing" or not. Park rangers, botanists, zoologists, bird watchers, and park attendees aren't out looking for mosquitoes, either, but I bet they come across a few now and again.
 
WGBH said:
Because they do not go out looking for it.
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To add to Kitz: We must accept that forest officials have failed to discover a population of 9x6 monsters running around in areas that are close to civilization. Sorry, friend, but that defies the laws of nature: An animal that big would have to be found sooner or later. I mean it can stay there forever and not be found...unless its not an animal...were talking about BF the animal, not BF the shapeshifter..are we not?
 
makaya325 said:
To add to Kitz: We must accept that forest officials have failed to discover a population of 9x6 monsters running around in areas that are close to civilization. Sorry, friend, but that defies the laws of nature: An animal that big would have to be found sooner or later. I mean it can stay there forever and not be found...unless its not an animal...were talking about BF the animal, not BF the shapeshifter..are we not?
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This may seem a nitpick but John would tell you that just because the creature that he believes he saw was 9 x 6 ft, it doesn't mean they all are. He might think that creature he saw was simply a larger than average male. He'll also tell you that signs of the creature are being found by everyday people so essentially the creature is being found in a way. The problem is that qualified officials are not looking for the creature and it is simply to elusive being a master of its own environment.

That is where I expect John to be coming from.
 
WGBH said:
I remember what I smelled in 1982. Will not forget it. The question is did it come from the animal I witnessed.
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Yeh, the one you see in the mirror. How do you know what BF smells like?
 
WGBH said:
Yes, and that is the direction I am leaning in for an explanation. Not the restroom/drain theory.
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The fact is that people pissed into a drain. If you want proof just go into any bar in Cambridge and use the restroom.
 
kitakaze said:
This may seem a nitpick but John would tell you that just because the creature that he believes he saw was 9 x 6 ft, it doesn't mean they all are. He might think that creature he saw was simply a larger than average male. He'll also tell you that signs of the creature are being found by everyday people so essentially the creature is being found in a way. The problem is that qualified officials are not looking for the creature and it is simply to elusive being a master of its own environment.

That is where I expect John to be coming from.
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I will guarantee John that there are no animals over 50 lbs living undiscovered in NA.
 
desertgal said:
You can't guarantee the non-existence of an undiscovered animal.
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Yes you can Desert

I know, you cant guarantee the non-existence of, lets say, an undiscovered Monkey living in Borneo.

You can guarantee the non-existence of a giant Primate living undiscovered in a populated country.
 
desertgal said:
You're flip flopping again.
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How am i flip flopping? I am using common sense when i say that You cant rule out a, lets say, small species of Gibbon or Orangutan in Borneo, but you can rule out a population of giant monsters roaming the ever growing US.
 
WGBH said:
Because they do not go out looking for it.
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Are they insane? Are they completely incompetent at the jobs they do? The people whose jobs it is to maintain and patrol that park can't or won't find the massive stinking wood apes that chuck rocks and sticks at their park visitors, scream like ladies, roar like monsters, bang on trees, approach their camps, and slink about the picnic areas? These fricking Bigfeets are worse than drunken hillbillies.

These creatures you believe are there in that park have to act just like real animals. This particular animal is going to need about at least 12,000 calories a day. It is going to have to devote considerable time to doing that. Smaller but still sizable animals like bears make themselves known when they come into parks like that because they are inevitably drawn towards human food sources such as garbage recepticals. You might say that the Bigfoots as large primates are too smart for that and will avoid doing such things but by your own enthusiast organizations thinking, these creatures are habitually approaching humans in the SFSP.

These creatures also have to hump. They need to be able to attract a mate that isn't like its sister. They are going to have to compete for mates and contend with rivals for resources. They are going to have call out to each other and find each other. It is basically impossible that they can do any of this while having eluded detection by the people who run the park. Park officials and staff may light-heartedly encourage some of the many Bigfoot enthusiast visitors with their yearly conference at the park's conference center and money spent in the park to think Bigfoot might be there but if that really was the case, they would know about it and it would be no joke. There's no way that a park for which the sole reason for its existence is recreation is going to allow massive, potentially harmful creatures to run loose about the park unchecked. People who can't understand this are having like some kind of misfire going on in their heads.

For the Bigfoots in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, me so excited! That sounds like a nice hairy babe calling out to me. Me hope she has a great big rump and nice childbearing hips. If me very lucky she won't be my cousin and maybe even will have nice hairy boobies that stick way out directly from her lower torso just like they do on those hairy babes out in California. Maybe me shall bring her this half eaten corn on the cob me got from the dumpster over by the handicapped picnic area and two of these buffalo chicken wings me yoinked from one of the hairless puny one's campsites. If it turns out to be another one of those puny ones making the babe noises come out from the weird little boxes, me will be so mad me just might throw a pig. Me doesn't want that to happen because pigs aren't easy to find around here. Oh luck be a hairy lady tonight.

For the hairless puny ones in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, Ronny, come quick! Bring the camcorder. The Bigfoots are panthooting over by the blackberry bushes again. Wow, that dirty white one is really big! Looks like that reddish one is pretty young. I love it when they slap there chests like bongos. The ranger told me September is their mating season. Eww, look at that! The reddish one just had a great big poop. Oh heavens, Ronny. They better not poop near our campsite. Bigfoot poop is just the worst. Remember last year when my sister Jean was camping in the Adirondacks and she found a great big Bigfoot poop in her tent? Ruined the tent, it did. Had to cut the trip short and it was Labor Day weekend just like now. She had to throw out the tent. $149 dollars it was. She got it from the Eddie Bauer outlet on sale. $149 dollars on sale? The pirates!

Oh, Ronny, look! The smaller reddish one is running away. Look, there he goes up the tree. It's funny, you know. You'd think they'd be better climbers with those great big long arms they got. You remember Liz from Punderson. She was at the Christmas party. She had her nose done, by the way. Well anyway, she was here earlier this summer and she said she saw one of the younger Bigfoots fall right out of a tree just over by the resort lodge. Broke its leg, the poor thing did. Screamed to high heaven like a dying lady, it did. They had to shoot the poor thing with the dart gun and take it to the animal shelter. Not before it put the stink on everyone, though. She said she nearly got sick in a bush, it was so bad. The parks magazine did a piece on it with pictures and everything. Oh, you should have seen it. It was such a sight. I have it at home somewhere. They put the Bigfoot in this special wagon they made so that it could roll around till its leg mended and they could let it go. Bigfoot on wheels! I remember the park staff named him J.J. after Burt Reynold's character in "Cannonball Run". Isn't that something?

Oh, there goes the white one! Isn't it strange how they hold their arms straight down when they run? Make them look kind of gimpy, if you ask me. Oh, wait till Jean sees this. Did you get all that?

And that is how real life would sound if Bigfoot were real and lived in Salt Fork.
 
kitakaze said:
Are they insane? Are they completely incompetent at the jobs they do? The people whose jobs it is to maintain and patrol that park can't or won't find the massive stinking wood apes that chuck rocks and sticks at their park visitors, scream like ladies, roar like monsters, bang on trees, approach their camps, and slink about the picnic areas? These fricking Bigfeets are worse than drunken hillbillies.

These creatures you believe are there in that park have to act just like real animals. This particular animal is going to need about at least 12,000 calories a day. It is going to have to devote considerable time to doing that. Smaller but still sizable animals like bears make themselves known when they come into parks like that because they are inevitably drawn towards human food sources such as garbage recepticals. You might say that the Bigfoots as large primates are too smart for that and will avoid doing such things but by your own enthusiast organizations thinking, these creatures are habitually approaching humans in the SFSP.

These creatures also have to hump. They need to be able to attract a mate that isn't like its sister. They are going to have to compete for mates and contend with rivals for resources. They are going to have call out to each other and find each other. It is basically impossible that they can do any of this while having eluded detection by the people who run the park. Park officials and staff may light-heartedly encourage some of the many Bigfoot enthusiast visitors with their yearly conference at the park's conference center and money spent in the park to think Bigfoot might be there but if that really was the case, they would know about it and it would be no joke. There's no way that a park for which the sole reason for its existence is recreation is going to allow massive, potentially harmful creatures to run loose about the park unchecked. People who can't understand this are having like some kind of misfire going on in their heads.

For the Bigfoots in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, me so excited! That sounds like a nice hairy babe calling out to me. Me hope she has a great big rump and nice childbearing hips. If me very lucky she won't be my cousin and maybe even will have nice hairy boobies that stick way out directly from her lower torso just like they do on those hairy babes out in California. Maybe me shall bring her this half eaten corn on the cob me got from the dumpster over by the handicapped picnic area and two of these buffalo chicken wings me yoinked from one of the hairless puny one's campsites. If it turns out to be another one of those puny ones making the babe noises come out from the weird little boxes, me will be so mad me just might throw a pig. Me doesn't want that to happen because pigs aren't easy to find around here. Oh luck be a hairy lady tonight.

For the hairless puny ones in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, Ronny, come quick! Bring the camcorder. The Bigfoots are panthooting over by the blackberry bushes again. Wow, that dirty white one is really big! Looks like that reddish one is pretty young. I love it when they slap there chests like bongos. The ranger told me September is their mating season. Eww, look at that! The reddish one just had a great big poop. Oh heavens, Ronny. They better not poop near our campsite. Bigfoot poop is just the worst. Remember last year when my sister Jean was camping in the Adirondacks and she found a great big Bigfoot poop in her tent? Ruined the tent, it did. Had to cut the trip short and it was Labor Day weekend just like now. She had to throw out the tent. $149 dollars it was. She got it from the Eddie Bauer outlet on sale. $149 dollars on sale? The pirates!

Oh, Ronny, look! The smaller reddish one is running away. Look, there he goes up the tree. It's funny, you know. You'd think they'd be better climbers with those great big long arms they got. You remember Liz from Punderson. She was at the Christmas party. She had her nose done, by the way. Well anyway, she was here earlier this summer and she said she saw one of the younger Bigfoots fall right out of a tree just over by the resort lodge. Broke its leg, the poor thing did. Screamed to high heaven like a dying lady, it did. They had to shoot the poor thing with the dart gun and take it to the animal shelter. Not before it put the stink on everyone, though. She said she nearly got sick in a bush, it was so bad. The parks magazine did a piece on it with pictures and everything. Oh, you should have seen it. It was such a sight. I have it at home somewhere. They put the Bigfoot in this special wagon they made so that it could roll around till its leg mended and they could let it go. Bigfoot on wheels! I remember the park staff named him J.J. after Burt Reynold's character in "Cannonball Run". Isn't that something?

Oh, there goes the white one! Isn't it strange how they hold their arms straight down when they run? Make them look kind of gimpy, if you ask me. Oh, wait till Jean sees this. Did you get all that?

And that is how real life would sound if Bigfoot were real and lived in Salt Fork.
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Kitz is right. That is not to say that a Population could exist in a much larger area, like the northwest territories.

To add: With mating, animals usually make LOUD, and i mean LOUD, moans and screams. If 2 bigfoots were mating, someone would definitely hear it and go to see whats going on. Instead, we end up with silence in the forest: The E! true story of the Ninja Bigfoots of Salt Fork park!
 
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kitakaze said:
Are they insane? Are they completely incompetent at the jobs they do? The people whose jobs it is to maintain and patrol that park can't or won't find the massive stinking wood apes that chuck rocks and sticks at their park visitors, scream like ladies, roar like monsters, bang on trees, approach their camps, and slink about the picnic areas? These fricking Bigfeets are worse than drunken hillbillies.

These creatures you believe are there in that park have to act just like real animals.

Who said I believe they are in Salt Fork? It's possible, but seeing is believing.

This particular animal is going to need about at least 12,000 calories a day. It is going to have to devote considerable time to doing that. Smaller but still sizable animals like bears make themselves known when they come into parks like that because they are inevitably drawn towards human food sources such as garbage recepticals.

Bears are sighted rarely in SFSP. Yes, you are correct the theory is they do feed out of the dumpsters when they can. The problem is the park is not that crowded in the winter except for possibly the Lodge. So the dumpsters are not full of food.


You might say that the Bigfoots as large primates are too smart for that and will avoid doing such things

Correct

but by your own enthusiast organizations thinking, these creatures are habitually approaching humans in the SFSP.


Incorrect

These creatures also have to hump. They need to be able to attract a mate that isn't like its sister. They are going to have to compete for mates and contend with rivals for resources. They are going to have call out to each other and find each other. It is basically impossible that they can do any of this while having eluded detection by the people who run the park. Park officials and staff may light-heartedly encourage some of the many Bigfoot enthusiast visitors with their yearly conference at the park's conference center and money spent in the park to think Bigfoot might be there but if that really was the case, they would know about it and it would be no joke. There's no way that a park for which the sole reason for its existence is recreation is going to allow massive, potentially harmful creatures to run loose about the park unchecked. People who can't understand this are having like some kind of misfire going on in their heads.

Nice opinion, but that's all it is.

For the Bigfoots in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, me so excited! That sounds like a nice hairy babe calling out to me. Me hope she has a great big rump and nice childbearing hips. If me very lucky she won't be my cousin and maybe even will have nice hairy boobies that stick way out directly from her lower torso just like they do on those hairy babes out in California. Maybe me shall bring her this half eaten corn on the cob me got from the dumpster over by the handicapped picnic area and two of these buffalo chicken wings me yoinked from one of the hairless puny one's campsites. If it turns out to be another one of those puny ones making the babe noises come out from the weird little boxes, me will be so mad me just might throw a pig. Me doesn't want that to happen because pigs aren't easy to find around here. Oh luck be a hairy lady tonight.



For the hairless puny ones in SFSP it would be like this...

Oh, Ronny, come quick! Bring the camcorder. The Bigfoots are panthooting over by the blackberry bushes again. Wow, that dirty white one is really big! Looks like that reddish one is pretty young. I love it when they slap there chests like bongos. The ranger told me September is their mating season. Eww, look at that! The reddish one just had a great big poop. Oh heavens, Ronny. They better not poop near our campsite. Bigfoot poop is just the worst. Remember last year when my sister Jean was camping in the Adirondacks and she found a great big Bigfoot poop in her tent? Ruined the tent, it did. Had to cut the trip short and it was Labor Day weekend just like now. She had to throw out the tent. $149 dollars it was. She got it from the Eddie Bauer outlet on sale. $149 dollars on sale? The pirates!

Oh, Ronny, look! The smaller reddish one is running away. Look, there he goes up the tree. It's funny, you know. You'd think they'd be better climbers with those great big long arms they got. You remember Liz from Punderson. She was at the Christmas party. She had her nose done, by the way. Well anyway, she was here earlier this summer and she said she saw one of the younger Bigfoots fall right out of a tree just over by the resort lodge. Broke its leg, the poor thing did. Screamed to high heaven like a dying lady, it did. They had to shoot the poor thing with the dart gun and take it to the animal shelter. Not before it put the stink on everyone, though. She said she nearly got sick in a bush, it was so bad. The parks magazine did a piece on it with pictures and everything. Oh, you should have seen it. It was such a sight. I have it at home somewhere. They put the Bigfoot in this special wagon they made so that it could roll around till its leg mended and they could let it go. Bigfoot on wheels! I remember the park staff named him J.J. after Burt Reynold's character in "Cannonball Run". Isn't that something?

Oh, there goes the white one! Isn't it strange how they hold their arms straight down when they run? Make them look kind of gimpy, if you ask me. Oh, wait till Jean sees this. Did you get all that?

And that is how real life would sound if Bigfoot were real and lived in Salt Fork.
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That was... interesting.
 
Kit, you certainly have a way with words! I'll leave it at that, because my attempts at satirical absurdity meant to point up the flaws in others' belief systems will just sound mean-spirited and derogatory. Somehow your method is as effective as it is damn funny. :D
 
makaya325 said:
To add: With mating, animals usually make LOUD, and i mean LOUD, moans and screams. If 2 bigfoots were mating, someone would definitely hear it and go to see whats going on. Instead, we end up with silence in the forest: The E! true story of the Ninja Bigfoots of Salt Fork park!
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Ever hear snakes mating? How about rabbits? Hell they mate so often rabbit sex noise should be the universal sound backdrop of much of the planet. How much time have you actually spent in the woods/wilderness? Most of the time insects and birds are the dominant sounds. And could you or Jane and Joe state park visitor actually determine what the mating sounds of the forest in a given place actually are? Ever see Chimps mate? Not so noisy as you think!
 
Crowlogic said:
Ever hear snakes mating? How about rabbits? Hell they mate so often rabbit sex noise should be the universal sound backdrop of much of the planet. How much time have you actually spent in the woods/wilderness? Most of the time insects and birds are the dominant sounds. And could you or Jane and Joe state park visitor actually determine what the mating sounds of the forest in a given place actually are? Ever see Chimps mate? Not so noisy as you think!
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Bears, Gorillas, and the other large mammals make plenty of loud noises, due to the size of their voice boxes and the tremendous amount of vocalization they generate through their lungs. Unless BF is a ninja, there is no way it can be mating and going unseen at the same time.
 
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