Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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kitakaze said:
1) Now you're saying that the smell was encountered in the ravine rather out of the ravine by the picnic area as was explicitly stated by ABS members in the Sasquatch Watch radio show. I have the notes and the time codes here. Shall I give you the exact words you guys said?
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Yes, I first encountered the smell when Billy and I were climbing OUT of the ravine. We were still 100 ft down in the ravine. Its on the show archive listen again.

It was encountered both in the ravine AND when I was standing at the tree line that goes back down into the ravine. I smelled it again when I was standing alone at the tree line and I called other members over and they smelled it also.

Who cares anyway? We got no evidence worth anything that night. Just a good story. Smells are not good enough evidence.
 
WGBH said:
Originally Posted by nancywv @ youtube
there is a sewage drain in the dip behind the bathroom. and to the left of the park is a solid white manhole cover that goes down to the ravine on th left. and yes we have had the strong smell of urine there. sometimes it will come in waves and sometimes a steady solid oder.

Billy checked that out. It was not the case.
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I'm going to need something better than an effective nuh-uh. You guys smelt pee pee and were in an area that had sewage pipes and obviously toilets. I have no reason to doubt that the Bigfoot enthusiast who is there and very familiar with the park can't reliably pinpoint the stink. Trying to wrangle some hope to keep it footy just makes you guys look silly. I would just concede that there is no reason the pee pee smell you guys came across wasn't simply from people's pee pee, but that's just me.

nancywv @ youtube said:
Well as I told you in the chat room, they just opened up the restroom. until then the people that were camping there were using the storm drain as a urinal. that is why the smell of urine is coming from the drain. It doesn't matter how many days I am there. I was just telling you we smell that smell often in that area. I hope you do find something. We check the area when we smell it also and it always comes from the same spot. good luck
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WGBH said:
Who cares anyway? We got no evidence worth anything that night. Just a good story. Smells are not good enough evidence.
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Because as you yourself said and I quoted you here, it was important in considering the possibility that you really did encounter Bigfoot there at SFSP. The only thing we can see evidence of is that there was some kind of Bigfooter gong show going on out there and the timing for your expedition was highly unfortunate (and IMO in just about the worst place possible).

I'm sure that you guys will take it as a learning experience for the next expedition in the summer.
 
kitakaze said:
I'm going to need something better than an effective nuh-uh. You guys smelt pee pee and were in an area that had sewage pipes and obviously toilets. I have no reason to doubt that the Bigfoot enthusiast who is there and very familiar with the park can't reliably pinpoint the stink. Trying to wrangle some hope to keep it footy just makes you guys look silly. I would just concede that there is no reason the pee pee smell you guys came across wasn't simply from people's pee pee, but that's just me.
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I edited the post above and you were too quick for me. We are not trying to wrangle anything, and you are the one being silly. Just smelling something no matter the source is not proof anyway. Be it phantom Bigfoot or phantom sewer.

Also, it is funny that you are betting on Nancy in this race. If you only knew Kit...if you only knew. But go for it, knock yourself out.
 
kitakaze said:
The only thing we can see evidence of is that there was some kind of Bigfooter gong show going on out there and the timing for your expedition was highly unfortunate (and IMO in just about the worst place possible).

How can you see that? You were not there. This is nothing more then your biased, venom filled opinion and you can keep it.

I'm sure that you guys will take it as a learning experience for the next expedition in the summer.
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It's always a learning experience. Good and bad.
 
WGBH said:
Yes, I first encountered the smell when Billy and I were climbing OUT of the ravine. We were still 100 ft down in the ravine. Its on the show archive listen again.

It was encountered both in the ravine AND when I was standing at the tree line that goes back down into the ravine. I smelled it again when I was standing alone at the tree line and I called other members over and they smelled it also.

Who cares anyway? We got no evidence worth anything that night. Just a good story. Smells are not good enough evidence.
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Especially since no one knows what a BF smells like.
 
I give this thread about another 2 pages before it goes south into a flame war.
 
WGBH said:
Yes, I first encountered the smell when Billy and I were climbing OUT of the ravine. We were still 100 ft down in the ravine. Its on the show archive listen again.

It was encountered both in the ravine AND when I was standing at the tree line that goes back down into the ravine. I smelled it again when I was standing alone at the tree line and I called other members over and they smelled it also.

Who cares anyway? We got no evidence worth anything that night. Just a good story. Smells are not good enough evidence.
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You are aware that all kinds of animals mark their territory with urine, aren't you ?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
You are aware that all kinds of animals mark their territory with urine, aren't you ?
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Yes, and that is the direction I am leaning in for an explanation. Not the restroom/drain theory.
 
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WGBH said:
Jungle Jim said:
I'd like to know how it ever got to sixteen pages.
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Not because of your input.
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Is there a rule that says JJ couldn't remark on the thread because he hasn't posted in it consistently? If so, please point it out to me-I must have missed it.
 
Hope this is not too off-topic, but the phantom lion is still said to be roaming the suburban wilds of a nearby county. However, even though there are now more witnesses, the sightings don't seem to make a whole heck of a lot of sense. According to this story in the Gainesville (Ga) newspaper, some people say it's an African lion, some say it's a mountain lion. One man swore it left scat in his yard, but the poop isn't any kind of cat poop. Another one found its paw print, but the print turned out to be from a bear. Someone else said it killed his chickens, but the physical evidence suggests dogs were to blame. Meanwhile, no lions have turned up, and some people are suggesting that folks might be seeing nothing more than a house cat. Others are supposing that some pet owner has lost his exotic big cat . . . though no big cat has actually been photographed and efforts to lure one into a trap have resulted in no captures.

I offer this only because it seems to indicate that at least some bigfoot witnesses may not have seen what they thought they saw.
 
WGBH said:
Yes, and that is the direction I am leaning in for an explanation. Not the restroom/drain theory.
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I have smelled deer, elk and moose urine and it's pretty strong when it's fresh. Also my dog always wants to roll in fresh urine spots.

I do have a question for you. Was the wind blowing that night, normally wind (air currents) travels downhill at night.

I'm also wondering why you are so reluctant to seek professional help for your nightmares. I can't imagine that your health hasn't suffered from sleep disturbance (deprivation).
 
LuvGodzilla said:
I have smelled deer, elk and moose urine and it's pretty strong when it's fresh. Also my dog always wants to roll in fresh urine spots.

I do have a question for you. Was the wind blowing that night, normally wind (air currents) travels downhill at night.

No, there was not a strong wind in any direction that night. It was also cold (low 40's).


I'm also wondering why you are so reluctant to seek professional help for your nightmares. I can't imagine that your health hasn't suffered from sleep disturbance (deprivation).
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Well, the best answer for that would be stubbornness. I have never received anything but a negative reaction when discussing my encounter. I hate talking about it in public and to strangers. Even Doctors.

Yes my health has suffered. I never realized how a good night's sleep can improve me, until I took the sleep drugs and felt the difference. The problem is, that I hate the groggy before and after effects.
 
Spektator said:
Hope this is not too off-topic, but the phantom lion is still said to be roaming the suburban wilds of a nearby county.

I offer this only because it seems to indicate that at least some bigfoot witnesses may not have seen what they thought they saw.
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Not off topic and it sure is a possibility.
 
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