How disrespectful can truthers be?

[SteveAustin]

This corner here





To which I showed the evidence and track record of truther activity


Then you went into a political anti-patriotism rant including a series of non sequitur historical quotes in a failed attempt to justify the actions of truthers. Enjoy your corner steve-0

LOL so your bringing up "circumstantial evidence" is what painted me into a corner? ROFL...buddy, dude we already went over the "circumstantial evidence" bit. it wouldn't hold up in a court of law, heck it wouldn't make it to trial. So how does that paint me into a corner?

Then my "political anti-patriotism rant" as you like to put it (nice touch there with the "rant" part )was a response to everyone verbally attacking "truthers" (hey how many times on these boards have truthers been labelled "terrorists" "anti-american" "unpatriotic" so adding disrespectful is just more of the same) based on no proof, calling "truthers" disrespectful of 9/11 and of the country. Oh my, I'm not allowed to counter "debunkers" verbal assaults?

Look, this question is for everyone here. What is it about what I've said in this thread that has got everyone so rilled up? So in a huff to "put me in my place"?

 

[Drudgewire]

I think what is happening to you beachnut is you see 9/11 truth as having gained so much ground these past few years...

*snicker*

 

[beachnut]

beachnut says 9/11 truth has no evidence and all we do is spread lies... I guess it must be true then right. I mean he repeats this mantra of his so very very very often (to you know...catapult the propaganda) that it must be true by now.

I think what is happening to you beachnut is you see 9/11 truth as having gained so much ground these past few years and you see that you will not be able to keep going on spreading your lies and bad mouthing truthers much longer that you are in a panic state and are simply lashing out, over and over again. You do see that that is how you look don't you?

You have no evidence! It is not what I say it is what you don't have. Evidence.

You have lies. (laws of physics were broken, etc...)
You have hearsay.
You have moronic delusions. (the phone calls were fake; a beam weapon did it, etc.)
You have fantasy based dirt dumb ideas. (guy took the thermite in bags and placed them... etc.)
You have no evidence.

I do not trust your failed delusions; who does? You have no evidence and keep on attacking me for pointing out your failure.

Your movement is based on lies; you can't support one of them with facts and evidence; you will talk and and say it is may mantra; but it is the fact of your pathetic delusional faith based movement which can't post a single piece of evidence to support one of your failed ideas which are only opinions based on lie, hearsay, and fantasy.

You love to spread false information and your latest and greatest all time hit is the "false flag vandalism".

I am just a skeptic who can clearly see you have no evidence to go with your delusions.

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I think what is happening to you beachnut is you see 9/11 truth as having gained so much ground these past few years ...

Gaining ground? Dirt has a better chance of producing evidence than you and all your movements failed members.

I am just an "old" man who learned to type surrounded by the best looking women in my high school. I can type out my thoughts and expose my poor writing skills while reading about the topics you mutilate into false ideas to satisfy your need to make up lies about 911; and because I can type faster than I can think (not really); between reading your funny disrespectful posts based on your own failed opinions I can mow the lawn, do the dishes, baby sit grandsons for 10 hours, do the gardening, build computers, design speakers, silence computers, order parts, do my banking, clean the house, cut the trim, paint the room, make the beds, do the clothes, prepare dinner, have wine on the porch watching satellites pass over in a polar orbit, and then come back and read your tripe which is delusional about gaining ground and next you will take over and put me in jail. Great plan; but you are short on evidence. You got me pegged; I am a failure and the only thing I can do right is see you lack evidence on 911.

Your post is amusing and evidence free.

 

[SteveAustin]

Steve Austin:

Back in post 117 I had a question for you, but I think you overlooked it. Here it is again:

So if a black family in Georgia woke up one morning to find a burning cross on their lawn, as sheriff of the town would you

a) go looking for members of the KKK, or
b) devote your manpower to the possibility that someone in the black community is trying to give white supremacists a bad name?

This question is not entirely tongue-in-cheek. I'd really like to know what you'd do.

Maybe you could answer my question as I answer yours...

I would do both a) and b) to make sure it was a complete and thorough investigation.

What would you do? Only perform half an investigation?

 

[SteveAustin]

You have no evidence! It is not what I say it is what you don't have. Evidence.

You have lies. (laws of physics were broken, etc...)
You have hearsay.
You have moronic delusions. (the phone calls were fake; a beam weapon did it, etc.)
You have fantasy based dirt dumb ideas. (guy took the thermite in bags and placed them... etc.)
You have no evidence.

I do not trust your failed delusions; who does? You have no evidence and keep on attacking me for pointing out your failure.

Your movement is based on lies; you can't support one of them with facts and evidence; you will talk and and say it is may mantra; but it is the fact of your pathetic delusional faith based movement which can't post a single piece of evidence to support one of your failed ideas which are only opinions based on lie, hearsay, and fantasy.

You love to spread false information and your latest and greatest all time hit is the "false flag vandalism".

I am just a skeptic who can clearly see you have no evidence to go with your delusions.

See what I mean. Buddy you just proved my point. The sad part is you don't even see it!!

 

[beachnut]

See what I mean. Buddy you just proved my point. The sad part is you don't even see it!!

Does this mean your evidence free status is a fact?

Do you have your proof of the "false flag vandalism"? Half proof? 1/4?


That is true! I don't see your evidence.

 

[jaydeehess]

<<snip>>
So although as I said above it is disrespectful to deface a memorial, the more you all keep going on and on about how un-patriotic "truthers" are just makes you all seem more and more ... well "un-patriotic" yourselves

Come now Steve, did I state that they were being unpatriotic?

If I had then how would that make me unpatriotic anyway? Its not even my flag.

My point though was that it would be unneccessary for anyone to commit a 'false flag vandalism' act since the TM is quite capable of turning popular opinion against themselves. The desecrated flag incident is part of that. I am sure you agree that such an act is inflammatory within the USA and not likely to win the TM any friends. With this in mind.plus the many other incidents, including chanting '911 was an inside job' at a memorial service, one can conclude that the desecration of a standing memorial is not going to be a decieding factor or even particularily significant in garnering ill will towards the TM. THUS it is very unlikely that any debunker would lower him/herself to the level of the TM (as proven by past TM acts) to commit an act such as this.

Indeed you believe that debunkers are somehow supersensitive to the similar act of desecrating a flag but on the flip side you expect that they would be capable of committing an act they would be at least as sensitive about.

Sorry pal, the circumstantial evidence (and face it that's all there is here) strongly points to the idea that a member(s) of the TM defaced that memorial, and points away from any 'false flag' act of vandalism.

 

[jaydeehess]

Maybe you could answer my question as I answer yours...

I would do both a) and b) to make sure it was a complete and thorough investigation.

What would you do? Only perform half an investigation?

Ok, then what would you do first? why?

 

[jaydeehess]

I think what is happening to you beachnut is you see 9/11 truth as having gained so much ground these past few years...

Your,,,, choke, cough, guffaw,,,,, proof of that contention?

 

[SteveAustin]

Does this mean your evidence free status is a fact?

Do you have your proof of the "false flag vandalism"? Half proof? 1/4?


That is true! I don't see your evidence.

Dude, you keep repeating this straw man and demanding I provide evidence to support this straw man.

It is "debunkers" making accusastions against "truthers" without any proof. All I said was that it could just as easily have been a "debunker" trying to frame a "truther" but there was no evidence one way or the other.

I labeled it "false flag vandalism" to shed some light on the irony that "debunkers" have here, in this case willing to accuse people without proof for this vandalism just like they are willing to accuse 19 arab hijackers without any proof, but I guess that went above everyone's head, or more likely you all ignored it so that you could use another "debunking tactic" like trying to ridicule based on a straw man you build up.

Can you provide proof that it was "truthers" that vandalised the memorial?

 

[SteveAustin]

Ok, then what would you do first? why?

Totally irrelevant question...and here is why.

what I would do first would depend on a lot of different circumstances. Things like the evidence at hand, the people living in the area, any visitors to the area. Are the kkk really that active in the area and is there an active anti-kkk group of people, etc...

These are all very important and something that a real cop in a real situation would know if he knew his jurisdiction well and all that would allow him to decide how to go about his investigation.

Nice attempt at pretending your buddies question pwned me though!

 

[beachnut]

Dude, you keep repeating this straw man and demanding I provide evidence to support this straw man.

It is "debunkers" making accusastions against "truthers" without any proof. All I said was that it could just as easily have been a "debunker" trying to frame a "truther" but there was no evidence one way or the other.

I labeled it "false flag vandalism" to shed some light on the irony that "debunkers" have here, in this case willing to accuse people without proof for this vandalism just like they are willing to accuse 19 arab hijackers without any proof, but I guess that went above everyone's head, or more likely you all ignored it so that you could use another "debunking tactic" like trying to ridicule based on a straw man you build up.

Can you provide proof that it was "truthers" that vandalised the memorial?

go dawg, hey, Dude; you are suppose to ignore this and present your evidence, earn the Pulitzer Prize and save the world from Bush. Oops, you have no evidence, you can't earn the Pulitzer Prize, and many old Bush voters voted for Obama.

Forget your "false flag vandalism" and start kicking butt with your evidence to change the world; it has been 7 years, 8 months and like 28 days; do it. Stand up and make it happen!

Looks like you are gaining ground.

When is your next big march? You next big evidence release? You know you have never, nor have your buddies in 911 delusion-ville ever released evidence?

 

[Drudgewire]

Looks like you are gaining ground.

Clearly disinfo agents defaced that wall and took a picture of one of their children dressed in a 9/11 shirt in front of it to discredit the massive and unstoppable movement.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Mother of God, people, put Steve Austin on ignore! He's complaining about an accusation that truthers vandalized a memorial. Can any point get any more trivial than that??

 

[Drudgewire]

Mother of God, people, put Steve Austin on ignore!

What??

He's complaining about an accusation that truthers vandalized a memorial.

What??

Can any point get any more trivial than that??

What??



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[A W Smith]

LOL so your bringing up "circumstantial evidence" is what painted me into a corner? ROFL...buddy, dude we already went over the "circumstantial evidence" bit. it wouldn't hold up in a court of law, heck it wouldn't make it to trial. So how does that paint me into a corner?

wrong again Steve-0. we are not fingering a individual. We are fingering a movement. The message in paint is clear. You cannot wish it away.

Then my "political anti-patriotism rant" as you like to put it (nice touch there with the "rant" part )was a response to everyone verbally attacking "truthers" (hey how many times on these boards have truthers been labelled "terrorists" "anti-american" "unpatriotic" so adding disrespectful is just more of the same) based on no proof, calling "truthers" disrespectful of 9/11 and of the country. Oh my, I'm not allowed to counter "debunkers" verbal assaults?

Look, this question is for everyone here. What is it about what I've said in this thread that has got everyone so rilled up? So in a huff to "put me in my place"?

You made an excuse to justify the defacing of a memorial. They have shown themselves to be disrespectful by their own example. Simple as that. You are an apologist. We don't need to catch the truther spray can in hand to prove motive. The message in paint is clear for all to see. There is little doubt except for you the apologist. Truthers have a track record. You will have to deal with it. No getting around it. I can bring up a number of incidents. But the point has already been made.

 

[Justin39640]

OMG, do I need to remind you and everyone else what the JREF debunker crowd says about "circumstantial evidence" ... err but I keep forgetting, it is an entirely different thing when a "debunker" uses circumstantial evidence than when a "truther" uses it, that old double standard.



Oh and it's not a derail to question/challenge the OP's assumptions, unless you just want to silence me so you claim I am derailing? Is that it?

seeing that the site was targeted several times by "truthers" (as shown) id say its pretty safe to assume they weren't happy and wanted to make a more permanent message

fact is the TM has no real circumstantial evidence or people would be going to jail
their ideas are laughed at by real law enforcement

most people (especially around here) try to go out and do their thing move on from 911 and live life
we remember our lost, then some fool does that
anyone smart enough to try to pull a "false flag vandalism" probably would be smart enough to realize its a waste of time

remember (rule10)-o (think goodfellas diniro wakin up the cops tailing him at the diner)
i was the OP
its my question
if i had any doubts about who did this i would have not started the thread

 

[SteveAustin]

wrong again Steve-0. we are not fingering a individual. We are fingering a movement. The message in paint is clear.

So you continue to promote your circumstantial evidence as actual proof! And you blame me as well for the vandalism.

I have done many many many truth actions here in my area and i've seen "debunkers" vandalize public property in an attempt to have us "truthers" arrested to shut us up, and had we not had video cameras it might have worked.

So you claiming that "debunkers" do not need to do this for any of the reasons you listed is just plain silly. Just because it is somethin YOU might not do (then again you might, I don't know you) does not mean the "debunker" next to you would not do it.

So again, you are accusing ALL "truthers" of this act of vandalism based on circumstantial evidence that wouldn't even make it to court.

You cannot wish it away. You made an excuse to justify the defacing of a memorial.

Liar, I did no such thing, if I had you would have already quoted it here.

They have shown themselves to be disrespectful by their own example. Simple as that.

So have "debunkers". Simple as that.

You are an apologist.

Another lie, and you know it too, or else you would have quoted something I said that painted me as an apologist trying to defend the vandalism.

We don't need to catch the truther spray can in hand to prove motive.

Nor do I have to catch the "debunker" spray can in hand to prove motive, but we were not talking motive (nice dodge though) we were talking evidence and proof.

The message in paint is clear for all to see. There is little doubt except for you the apologist. Truthers have a track record. You will have to deal with it. No getting around it. I can bring up a number of incidents. But the point has already been made.

You can bring up any number of incidents you want. It does not change the facts that there is no proof that "truthers" vandalised this memorial, all you have is your BELIEF.

Why is it so hard for "debunkers" to admit they have no PROOF?

(that is a rhetorical question by the way...as I already know)

 

[beachnut]

I labeled it "false flag vandalism" to shed some light on the irony that "debunkers" have here, in this case willing to accuse people without proof for this vandalism just like they are willing

... to accuse 19 arab hijackers without any proof, but I guess that went above everyone's head, or more likely you all ignored it so that you could use another "debunking tactic" like trying to ridicule based on a straw man you build up.

Can you provide proof that it was "truthers" that vandalised the memorial?

Provide your proof 19 terrorist did not do 911! Is this disrespectful willfully ignoring the evidence 19 terrorist murdered 3,000 people on 911? Obama knows 19 terrorist did it as fact; are you not as smart as the new president? Are you striving to be like Bush? oops he knew 19 terrorists did 911. Dan Rather Bush's buddy knows 19 terrorists did 911. UBL and the terrorists know you are full of nut case ideas and 19 terrorists did 911. WHO does not know 19 terrorist did 911? Just a few fringe people who think they are gaining ground with their delusional conclusions based on lies, false ideas, failed opinions, biased political tripe, and moronic fantasies.

There is literally tons of evidence 19 terrorist did 911; you ignore it. You apologize for terrorists like you apologize for vandalism by making up lies; in this case false flag vandalism without proof.

There is proof of 19 terrorists which you deny. Is your inability to refute 19 terrorist proof of your shallow research and propensity to make up lies? Is your false flag vandalism indicative of your fantasy driven ignorance on 911 and you willfully ignoring evidence?

 

[SteveAustin]

remember (rule10)-o (think goodfellas diniro wakin up the cops tailing him at the diner)
i was the OP
its my question
if i had any doubts about who did this i would have not started the thread

You can have all the faith you want in your belief, but there is no proof. If there was proof you would have posted it by now. Circumstantial evidence is not proof.

If you don't like people challenging your beliefs then maybe you should stop posting.