From Rapture Ready

[MIKILLINI]

This life has suffering in it, you cannot escape that, and although you can blame God for it, you cannot judge him.

Why can't we judge him for placing that diabolical tree of knowledge (loaded with the most extreme punishment) within grasp of A&E?

Why would a caring, loving God who created man in his own image, allow his "children" to be within reach of their own demise?

 

[dafydd]

There are many different views on the return of Christ. I do not see it the way preterist do at all, I think they are missing something. The Word of God is discerned through the Holy Spirit so unless you have the gift of the Holy Spirit perhaps you cannot get this insight?

I see the Bible speaks clear on the rapture. In the twinkiling of an eye we will be changed when the trumpet sounds. I'm excited about it, I just hope I live long enough.

So Miles Davis will be leading the charge?

 

[slingblade]

Worse. Chuck Mangione.

 

[dafydd]

Well I do not want to make any harsh accusations on this one as I am not too prepared.

Charlie Campbell has many articles on his website that you may find useful in answering some of your questions? heres a link http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=51

I took a look,useful is not the word that comes to mind he's just as deluded as you are.Funny though,thanks for the laughs.

 

[dafydd]

What are you talking about? God does not bow down to anyones wants. We either believe him and take him at his word or we don't. I believe the Bible and it is very clear that the return of Christ will be for him to come back and judge the world. Better to receive his forgiveness and avoid the white thrown judgement than not.

I love Jesus for the sacrifice he made to redeem the lost. I have a heart to know him, that's the difference between me and you. I love him because he first loved me.

And as for being rapture ready, I am praying "Come Lord" as all of this world is crying out for new life. How much more evil can this world stand?

Can you point me to any instances of the world crying out for new life? If you really believe the crap you write then you need help badly.

 

[dafydd]

I don't think any of us knows that answer. God hasn't deemed it necessary to give us the answer either.

If you can't deal with that, then so be it, but don't assume that God is evil because he allows evil. If God created everything that exists, seen and unseen, then can you honestly believe that you have some moral superiority to God?

But god did not create everything that exists so your question has no meaning.

 

[dafydd]

I'm sorry but you are a fool if you honestly believe there isn't a God. You are going to get a rude awakening someday.

No chance.You are the fool for believing in the existence of an imaginary being.

 

[dafydd]

I enjoy the poetry of the King James version, but I do find it difficult to understand sometimes. Of course some of the modern translations are really bastardizations of the original meaning, so I tend to stick with the KJ version and muddle through the difficult language.

I've actually heard an argument by an author that new Jerusalem is actually a giant pyramid. It's a rather interesting argument, although I don't remember who the author was.

IS a giant pyramid? Where is it.I want to visit.

 

[dafydd]

Look at it this way. Jesus did all sorts of miracles and people still wouldn't follow him. Go all the way back to the OT and the Jewish people. Various leaders performed miracles from God yet the people still continued to ignore God.

Even if I had undeniable proof there would still be people who ignored that proof.

I already said that statistically, the probability that all the universal constants are exactly where they are to produce life is staggering. That is as close as one can get to scientifically putting into question atheism.

Please stop playing word games. Everyone has beliefs. Are you an economic conservative or liberal? Do you support unions or do you not? If you are truly a thinker than you should have worked out already what works and does not work economically and socially.

In the end you have beliefs that are not based on reason and logic, but on feelings. I think it's something that too many skeptics ignore. You aren't robots, you are human beings and for all your talk of reason and logic you are tied to your emotions and feelings just like everyone else.

Yes, the Bible would agree with this. Men are fools, especially supposed wise men who reason that there is no God.



So what does this say about militant atheists like dawkins and dennet?

You cannot tell me that you doubt everything. If you were not certain of anything I would doubt your sanity.

Miracles? Stories in an old work of fiction? Where is the independent proof that these alleged miracles actually occured?

 

[dafydd]

God Damn You.

My wife miscarried. You are blaming her for this?

My friend lost her grandson to leukemia. You are blaming her for this?

I've had friends lose children to SIDS. You are blaming them for this?

How dare you.

Hamelekim is just another hateful,deluded christian.I've never understood the suffering aspect of christianity,If I was a loving,all powerful creator and I was creating a universe from scratch with sentient beings in it,I would make sure that they had a whale of a time,because I'm a nice guy.Hamelekim,your god must be a real bastard.

 

[dafydd]

Yes just what is the point of creating people to worship you? Sounds like god has a bit of a self-image problem because those who are confident do not need constant reinforcement by anyone let alone a whole universe.

Yes,that struck me at an early age,There was a hymn that I was forced to sing in school promising us that after we died we would sit around god for a thousand years singing his praises.I remember thinking,how boring is that,and what an egoistical bugger god must be.

 

[dafydd]

That's a pretty big IF statement (if he created everything that exists), but it's still not too hard to consider myself morally superior to someone who kills as many babies as this god dude has. I don't know quite how many died at the first passover, but at last count, he's still killing close to 40,000 every day.


Which god are you referring to here? There have been thousands. Are you a fool for not believing in thousands of gods? Will you be getting a rude awakening? Are you as afraid as I am right now?



So he is still killing babies on purpose through disease and starvation in the third world, and giving cancer to babies and children everywhere. Don't forget that tsunami a few years ago, which was certainly a big surprise and which he did on purpose. I guess I'm too morally inferior to understand his version of love and wisdom.

Thank goodness he's just the latest fiction in a long line of fictions that I still can't believe anybody takes seriously.

Hamelekim,why does your god go around killing babies? Do admire him for that?

 

[AWPrime]

Yes,that struck me at an early age,There was a hymn that I was forced to sing in school promising us that after we died we would sit around god for a thousand years singing his praises.I remember thinking,how boring is that,and what an egoistical bugger god must be.

I felt the same way. And also my BS meter went berserk during Sunday school.

 

[Mr Clingford]

I felt the same way. And also my BS meter went berserk during Sunday school.

What ages were you and what set off your meter - I have been trying to remember what Sunday School was like and the main memory is boredom and irrelevance to my life, I think?

 

[tsig]

If by acting human you mean sinning, then yes, she was. I wouldn't go Worshiping her for that.

If it wasn't for her "sin" you would not be here so how are you, the fruits of sin, to judge her? Or will you pass the buck to god again?

 

[tsig]

You got an ETA on those four horsemen?

Ya gotta watch for the "signs" only after the right things happen will the coach and four of doom arrive, trouble is, no two cults can decide on the "right signs".

 

[tsig]

Yes,that struck me at an early age,There was a hymn that I was forced to sing in school promising us that after we died we would sit around god for a thousand years singing his praises.I remember thinking,how boring is that,and what an egoistical bugger god must be.

If you were thinking during Sunday school then you were doing it wrong.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It wasn't misquoted.

It certainly looks like a misquote to me. In what way does "him that waiteth for him" mean the same as "them that love him"?

In fact, the original text from Isaiah doesn't even make sense. Who exactly is he addressing here? Is he referring to God in both the second and third person? Or does "him" refer to someone else?

Certainly, the writer of Corinthians cleared it up so it makes sense. However, it is NOT the same. I would say it's ALMOST the same, but if you truly believe the Bible is inerrant, then that's not good enough.

If you don't, then I would seriously question this rapture nonsense.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The point is that God isn't evil for killing anyone let alone children. The children are not being punished and you shouldn't feel bad for them.

Whew! That's a relief!

But wouldn't one of us be considered evil if we did the same thing?

Jesus said, "You must be perfect as your father in Heaven is perfect".

If being perfect involves killing children, then wouldn't we necessarily be allowed to do the same?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Yes,that struck me at an early age,There was a hymn that I was forced to sing in school promising us that after we died we would sit around god for a thousand years singing his praises.I remember thinking,how boring is that,and what an egoistical bugger god must be.

Actually, it was ten thousand years. And the hymn was saying, "Don't even think about checking your watch, because you're going to be here a while."