From Rapture Ready

[paximperium]

GOd, IMO, sounds like a bit of psychopath. How many women have been raped because they rejected the advances of creeps and weirdos. We have a similar situation here eith God - you WILL love me, or I will kill you.

Nice.

Monster

I find it worst that people would follow, advocate and believe this psychopath is moral and has the right to do so.

 

[tsig]

How you got that from what is written there is all magic.

Paul

He can't, in fact his words clearly contradict the bible verse because the verse says you cannot know heaven then he proceeds to describe it.

 

[tsig]

I seriously don't know how anyone whose read the bible could make such claims as "all god's laws are just and good..."

Perhaps explaining why god hates mixed fabrics would be a good start...

That verse was ment just fore irael and just for that tyme. you see there was a trade war and god didn't want his chosen to use foriengn guds. He whose eeyes are not opened lo he cannot see. If the camel smells you must not ride him.(not sur about the last but it's scriture.

I'll pray god will send his angel of chastisement to theach you for lo it is better to be beaten than to burn. My dad always said that.

The Church of the Self-Abused

 

[Foster Zygote]

Again you have this myopic viewpoint of the world. Every child that is under the age of accountability is in heaven when they die. To be absent the body is to be in the presence of the lord.

So when a baby dies it is not punishment at all for the child. It may be punishment for the parents or the society but it certainly isn't punishment for the child.

Look at all those dead babies and children. Hooray for God!

The Christian God of course. If you actually read the Bible you would realize that Christianity is unique among other religions and that Bible Prophecy is very specific about the signs of the last days.

Name any other religion that has had as many prophecies comes true as the Bible has? Every single prophecy in the Bible has come true or will come true in the future.

People can do the same trick with Nostradamus. Ironically, John of Patmos was most likely doing what Nostradamus was doing: Writing about contemporary people and events in an apocalyptic code.

Again, you are looking through a very narrow viewpoint. Children who die in this world are in heaven.

So killing children is a good thing.

Secondly, this world is about suffering. God suffered on the cross, and suffering teaches us lessons that we wouldn't learn otherwise, which is likely why we are living in the world as it is today.

But why do God's plans seen to be to eventually establish a world without suffering? Don't we have suffering because Adam and Eve disobeyed God and went against his plans? Will those born in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth suffer as we do?

I'm afraid you're wrong. He is very real and you choose to ignore him because you don't like the concept of the Christian God for whatever reasons you have.

No, Hanuman the Monkey God is very real and you choose to ignore him because you don't like the concept of the Hindu gods for whatever reasons you have.

 

[Niggle]

Sharing the truth with others every chance I get is one way I believe I am serving God, afterall isn't it the truth that sets a person free?

That only works if you actually HAVE the truth. We've asked over and over again for valid evidence that what you're spouting is the truth (any kind of truth), and you've given us nothing but threats of eternal damnation and whining about how poor/hurting/ignorant (intentionally) you are.

In short, you've shared nothing anyone in a sane state of mind would want to be a part of. In fact, many of us have already run screaming from your nightmare fantasy world of religion.

All you're doing is hardening more hearts against your god. I don't think he'll thank you for it.

 

[Niggle]

Again you have this myopic viewpoint of the world. Every child that is under the age of accountability is in heaven when they die. To be absent the body is to be in the presence of the lord.

So when a baby dies it is not punishment at all for the child. It may be punishment for the parents or the society but it certainly isn't punishment for the child.

Children who die of cancer suffer terribly. Even if they get the free ticket to heaven, why does your god have to torture them first? That's a hell of a price to pay for a free ride.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Hi Lisa (or is it Lynn?). Welcome to the JREF forums. I found your post quite moving. To be raised with so much fear in your life is difficult to comprehend, and all in the name of worshipping a divine being. To me this sounds like ritualized abuse. I am very glad indeed that you have managed to move away from that life and that things are much calmer for you (not that the real world doesn't have its share of "tribulations").

Based on what you have said, I have to wonder if it is sheer terror that drives some fundamentalists to evangelise so relentlessly, petrified in case they are found wanting and so condemned to an eternity of unmitigated horror. Maybe I should temper my judgement of them.

Nope. People who scare other people to mitigate their own fear are bullies and should be dealt with accordingly.

I don't think any of us knows that answer. God hasn't deemed it necessary to give us the answer either.

If you can't deal with that, then so be it, but don't assume that God is evil because he allows evil. If God created everything that exists, seen and unseen, then can you honestly believe that you have some moral superiority to God?

If God created everything that exists, seen and unseen, then He created evil, and is evil Himself for allowing it to continue.

God could have limited his view of the future in certain aspects because he didn't want to completely control the outcome of our choices. I don't know if this is true or not though.

God could have absquatulated with the subjunctive in certain aspects because he didn't want to completely control the past participles of our grammar. I don't know if this is true or not though.

I enjoy the poetry of the King James version, but I do find it difficult to understand sometimes. Of course some of the modern translations are really bastardizations of the original meaning, so I tend to stick with the KJ version and muddle through the difficult language.

ROFL. Do you actually believe that the King James Version is any closer to the original sources than the Revised Standard, the American Standard or the New English Versions?

Again you have this myopic viewpoint of the world. Every child that is under the age of accountability is in heaven when they die. To be absent the body is to be in the presence of the lord.

So when a baby dies it is not punishment at all for the child. It may be punishment for the parents or the society but it certainly isn't punishment for the child...

Again, you are looking through a very narrow viewpoint. Children who die in this world are in heaven.

Secondly, this world is about suffering. God suffered on the cross, and suffering teaches us lessons that we wouldn't learn otherwise, which is likely why we are living in the world as it is today.

So it was worth learning...some lesson...for my cousin to die a lingering, painful death from liver cancer at the age of ten?

Meh. Now if you had said Colin Firth...

O/T to Hokulele: I've often said that if I had to pick a fictional character to worship and a fictional realm to spend my eternity, I'd be at Pemberley with Mr. Darcy/Colin Firth.

Um...ladies...I don't know how to break this to you, but...HE'S MINE.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Indeed. If a parent leaves a 4-year old alone in a room and tells the child "DON'T PLAY WITH THOSE MATCHES ON THE TABLE!" Then is it really the kid's fault when the parent returns and finds the room on fire? Why were A&E expected to have a better understanding of obeying than a child has?

Exactly. A&E were not allowed to have knowledge of good and evil for reasons depicted in Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

They were clueless to the potential destruction from eating the forbidden fruit.

God did not want man to become like him, but....he placed the very thing he did not want right in the middle of the Garden.
Is this a wise God?

 

[Hokulele]

Um...ladies...I don't know how to break this to you, but...HE'S MINE.

Firth fight!

 

[aggle-rithm]

The Bible specifically says,

Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.​

"It is written" is speaking of Isiah 64:4, which reads (specifically):

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither had the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

Not the same. The perfect and unchanging word of God has misquoted the perfect unchanging word of God!

How can this be?!?

 

[aggle-rithm]

He's saying that when you steal God's cookies, God kills.

Why can't he just make more...?

 

[hamelekim]

Look at all those dead babies and children. Hooray for God!


People can do the same trick with Nostradamus. Ironically, John of Patmos was most likely doing what Nostradamus was doing: Writing about contemporary people and events in an apocalyptic code.

Prophecy of the end times comes from the OT as well as the NT. Jesus, in the gospels goes through signs of the end times. One of these includes the rebirth of Israel as a nation.

You also have the falling away of people from Christianity in the last days. Christianity was just starting let alone be spread around the world when that was written.

These days true Christianity is rare and becoming rarer. You also have Daniels statement about the last days with knowledge increasing and people moving to and fro.

So killing children is a good thing.

Sure, that's exactly what that means...

The point is that God isn't evil for killing anyone let alone children. The children are not being punished and you shouldn't feel bad for them.

But why do God's plans seen to be to eventually establish a world without suffering? Don't we have suffering because Adam and Eve disobeyed God and went against his plans? Will those born in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth suffer as we do?

The Bible specifically says that after the final Judgment God will remake the universe and the earth. At this point there will never be suffering again.

 

[hamelekim]

Children who die of cancer suffer terribly. Even if they get the free ticket to heaven, why does your god have to torture them first? That's a hell of a price to pay for a free ride.

This life has suffering in it, you cannot escape that, and although you can blame God for it, you cannot judge him.

 

[hamelekim]

"It is written" is speaking of Isiah 64:4, which reads (specifically):

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither had the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

Not the same. The perfect and unchanging word of God has misquoted the perfect unchanging word of God!

How can this be?!?

It wasn't misquoted.

 

[hamelekim]

We changed it by defying god thereby creating this world. You should be on your knees to Eve because if she didn't eat the apple you wouldn't be here.

Eve was the first true human because she was the first to act human.

If by acting human you mean sinning, then yes, she was. I wouldn't go Worshiping her for that.

 

[six7s]

Prophecy of the end times comes from the OT as well as the NT. Jesus, in the gospels goes through signs of the end times. One of these includes the rebirth of Israel as a nation.

You also have the falling away of people from Christianity in the last days. Christianity was just starting let alone be spread around the world when that was written.

These days true Christianity is rare and becoming rarer. You also have Daniels statement about the last days with knowledge increasing and people moving to and fro.

You got an ETA on those four horsemen?

 

[six7s]

Again, you are looking through a very narrow viewpoint. Children who die in this world are in heaven.

So killing children is a good thing.

Sure, that's exactly what that means...

You are one sick bastard with nothing - absolutely nothing - to substantiate the woo that is your delusion

The point is that God isn't evil for killing anyone let alone children. The children are not being punished and you shouldn't feel bad for them.

Saying it a gazillion times won't make it so

 

[six7s]

This life has suffering in it, you cannot escape that, and although you can blame God for it, you cannot judge him.

Wrong

Your mythical god is guilty of being an absolute arse

 

[Roadtoad]

Wrong

Your mythical god is guilty of being an absolute arse

Further: You are every bit as much of a jackass for defending what would ordinarily be considered extraordinarily cruel and vicious behavior. By anyone.

Quite honestly, it's almost as if you're justifying the death of children at the hands of Moloch, as well. Frankly, there's better ways for us to spend our time.

Ignore, anyone?

 

[slingblade]

This life has suffering in it, you cannot escape that, and although you can blame God for it, you cannot judge him.

If by acting human you mean sinning, then yes, she was. I wouldn't go Worshiping her for that.

Ooh, ooh, I know! I know! How about instead of blaming, judging, or worshiping imaginary creations, I just ignore them and actually live my life like the mature, rational, responsible adult that I am!

And...ooh, and how about I blame your ideas and all those who hold them for most of the suffering in the world today?

How about I speak against those bat-crap crazy ideas everytime I get the chance?

Yeah, I think that's exactly what I'll do.