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Roadtoad said:
It's about doing what's right, not endlessly discussing what we think is right. It's about courage, and it's about compassion. If the vicious clods who are pounding away at the author of the post cited in the OP had any compassion, they wouldn't be perpetuating the mental abuse that has become faith in Christ. There would be something that resembles hope, and nothing that would provoke a child to plead for death, a sure and certain sign that the whole business is one of abuse and cruelty.
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The nature of one's religion seems to mirror the individuals nature. People who are at heart-selfish & cruel - tend to believe in a selfish & cruel god.

The group that you sense can't wait to sit around some heavenly amphitheatre and watch the "unsaved" be tortured...my guess is they were the kind of people who pulled the wings off of flys when they were kids....and actually enjoyed watching helpless things suffer for no reason.


Even without religion---they'd probably be rather unpleasant individuals overall.

People like the original poster who's concience bothered him about the suffering of others---my guess is in time--he's just not going to fit in with this brand of religion.
 
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SezMe said:
Yep. Your post is about kk as are the rest after yours except skeptigirl and the diversion about pink floyd. The OP has been virtually lost.
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Threads are only contests, to win or lose?

I don't see them that way. I don't see KK's threads/posts that way.

I see them as buffets of crazy, as I said, which need to be seen to be appreciated for the lunacy that they are. KK shows posters here the ugliest side of faith, of religious fanatacism...a side that wouldn't be seen if she were ignored.

But if you see them as contests, you go ahead and play.
Just know that nobody "won" until you declared a winner.
 
Slightly OT, here...

Kathy will stick her nose anywhere she thinks she can get a few lines of preaching in. She's a narcissist. To her, it's all about her, and what she believes. It's rather pathetic to watch, this kind of psychosis, but in the end, it can actually be tragically funny. It's like watching a train wreck; you can't stand to look, but you don't dare look away.

We now return you to your normal derail....
 
ralph said:
the nature of one's religion seems to mirror the individuals nature. People who are at heart-selfish & cruel - tend to believe in a selfish & cruel god.

the group that you sense can't wait to sit around some heavenly amphitheatre and watch the "unsaved" be tortured...my guess is they were the kind of people who pulled the wings off of flys when they were kids....and actually enjoyed watching helpless things suffer for no reason.


Even without religion---they'd probably be rather unpleasant individuals overall.

people like the original poster who's concience bothered him about the suffering of others---my guess is in time--he's just not going to fit in with this brand of religion.
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quoted and bolded for truth!
 
kurious_kathy said:
What really holds you back??
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Let me see... what's holding me back... well...

  1. Critical thinking.
  2. A college level education in science, history, and philosophy that presents evidence that flies in the face of your religion.
  3. The desire to make my own determination on issues of morality without it having it dictated to me by a bunch of Iron Age savages who's idea of right and wrong was stoning homosexuals, women who don't cry out during rape, and poor old men who are caught gathering firewood on certain days of the week.
  4. The repugnant behavior of modern practitioners of your religion, from altar-boy-buggering priests and the bishops who cover for them, to abortion-clinic bombers and gay-bashers, to creationist school board members who fudge reality, to televangelists who talk old ladies out of their pensions in exchange for "faith healing," to former U.S. presidents who start wars because their invisible friend in the sky told them to...
  5. The notion that I am some invisible being's plaything to be tortured and abused at its fickle whim and I'm suppose to "love" him for this.
  6. The idea that I am guilty by association for a "crime" committed by an apocryphal woman who, despite not having the ability to know the difference between right and wrong in the first place, was conned into eating a piece of fruit BY A TALKING SNAKE and for this extremely dubious "crime" I deserve to be tortured for all eternity unless I sufficiently kiss your deity's ass.
  7. The idea that I'm not allowed to think certain thoughts, read certain books, eat certain foods, love certain people, make love to them in certain ways, or even wear certain clothes because it would offend a being who is allegedly omnipotent.
  8. The fact I like to sleep in on Sundays.
  9. The idea that I should believe that someone could walking on liquid water, be magically brought back from the from the dead, and could mystically multiply foodstuffs insults my intelligence.
  10. THERE IS NO ****** GOD!!!
Take your pick. Any of them will do.
 
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Ralph said:
going back to the original thread from Rapture Ready..

There's one post from someone who's noticed the thread has been posted on an "atheist
site."

He seems rather disturbed about it....but nice to see he's obviously been lurking over here.

I thought born again xtians were discouraged from hanging around "pagan" web sites.
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I eventually went and looked the RR thread, and the person who made the post about the "atheist site" seems to have signed up in order to make that post. At least there is, as of now, only one post to that person's account.

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This post is followed by one from a parent who seems very concerned about her children.

Apparently-they were once "with jesus"...but have since fallen away.

I could've sworn I've seen it posted on RR that once you've been saved----you're in.

It's kind of like tenure-----once they've hired you on--they can't get rid of you. Maybe not.
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I am not entirely sure you understand this bit of ... doctrine. Once you are saved you will not fall away. Everyone who does fall away was therefore never truly saved to begin with. ;)
 
Nogbad said:
Sorry if it seems that I may be especially dense. However, if one can only discern the return in a millenarian way if one has the Holy Spirit what is the status of those who see it in preterist way? If they are missing the signs does that mean they do not have the Holy Spirit? If so does that mean they are not saved?

I am trying to determine whether there is a kind of tautology going on here. That is a, "my interpretation is the only correct one. If you had the Holy Spirit you would see that. How can you expect to go to Heaven if you don't have the Holy Spirit"...sort of thing.

(apologies to Pink Floyd)
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Well I do not want to make any harsh accusations on this one as I am not too prepared.

Charlie Campbell has many articles on his website that you may find useful in answering some of your questions? heres a link http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=51
 
kurious_kathy said:
No you cannot stand in front of God and use me as your excuse for denying him, that just will not fly! You must have a change of heart it's true and only the Lord can do that! I pray he saves you before it's too late!!
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Keep it up KK. Your rants only drive people away. Nobody wants to be you. Nobody trusts you. Nobody believe anything you say. People revile you.

KK hardens the hearts of men.
 
paximperium said:
Keep it up KK. Your rants only drive people away. Nobody wants to be you. Nobody trusts you. Nobody believe anything you say. People revile you.

KK hardens the hearts of men.
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To be clear so Kathy doesn't decide to add this to her martyr complex:

You are reviled not for your beliefs or your religion, but your decidedly cruel and obnoxious application of them.
 
kurious_kathy said:
You must have a change of heart it's true and only the Lord can do that!
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So, once again, you admit that we are damned purely on the whim of your capricious fairy?

...I will have a change of heart and find god once I have found god and he's changed my heart...

Grow up Kathy; try actually reading the things your type before you press the 'send' button - you might be distressed to discover that you routinely post utter...*tries to think of a word that won't breach Rule 10*...twaddle.

You are of course correct that you are not the soul reason for my non-acceptance of your badly-written cautionary tale/social control mechanism. You're simply not interesting enough to fulfil such a role. The laughable and peurile nature of it all is really what stands in my way; you are just a crystalisation of all of my negative expectations. Everything rotten that I suspect religion of doing to people is highlighted brilliantly and horribly in you.

I meant what I said in the other thred; think seriously about it...if there is a god and a devil and all that jazz like you like to believe, then you should seriously consider the notion that you are, in fact, a sleeper/double agent for Satan. You certainly ain't helping the cause of the Great White Beardy One.

As to the OP, it's nice to think that the poster at RR might be finding their way out of that medievil pit for the mind. With any luck they might find their way here and see just how great the real world is.

In the mean time, I shall stand in front of god (if he's omnipresent then I can't help but do so) and eat a Jaffa Cake. Mmmmmm - Jaffa Cake.
 
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MIKILLINI said:
You mean this God? For instance: Exodus 34:6, Deuteronomy 7:9-10, Titus 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.

But....then there is this:

2Thessalonians 2:11-12 God deludes people, making them believe what is false, so as to be able to condemn them. (Note: some versions use the word persuade here. The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)

You know these passages?
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Well, at least they aren't blaming the devil for deluding people. I mean really, god made the devil and is infinitely more powerful, right? Poor devil
 
It is important to understand that every single Christian (and followers of all other religions) are really worshiping their own ego’s, that’s all they do.
 
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