SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

[kitakaze]

We have what looks like the remnants of an industrial compound. Thats the layout of the shapes at Cydonia.

This is very interesting. Why did you conclude industrial compound, Genius Martian Bigfoots?

You know, you really should talk with Sweaty about the connection to Earth sites such as Avebury, England that Sweaty has brought to our attention.

He was the one that brought me the evidence that lead me to understand the Alien/Bigfoot/Mars connection.

 

[William Parcher]

GMB made their first 77 posts in about 12 hours. Hit the ground running.

 

[Belz...]

Well I said a BETTER idea and not a stupid idea. We were after a BETTER idea. One that doesn't run away from the evidence.

What evidence ? Earth geology sometimes produces shapes that are straighter than what CTs claim are structures on mars.

But still the shapes are there. And still they look to be artificial.

Yeah, and clouds still look like cows, sometimes.

And still we don't have a reason to even so much as be skeptical about the possibility of intelligent life setting up an outpost in a place like that.

Careful, now. We're not discussing the possibility of extraterrestrial life. We're discussing a specific instance.

Certainly looks pretty strange don't it.

I think you need to stop thinking in terms of what looks strange to you or not.

They would need an artificial atmosphere inside those big pyramidal buildings.

"Those" big ? Friend, there's only one of them and it's so obviously a natural phenomenon I can't understand how people drew any other conclusion. Artificial buildings that stand usually have straight edges...

One cannot know either way.

Sophistry.

And it might be helpful if NASA had a mind to investigating anything that looked interesting and not just things that were microscopic and didn't look interesting.

NASA isn't paid to look into what ignorant people find interesting. They're paid to do science. And science is often boring.

 

[Belz...]

1) It has 2 sharp, square corners.
2) The 2 square corners oppose each other squarely...

Do they ?

3) The side with the most remaining material is extremely straight....

We have different definitions of "extremely".

I added a line, to show how the material along the lower edge lines-up in a perfectly straight line...

Actually, you added a line that helps us see how much it DOESN'T.

So, in calculating the odds of these things all existing together in one structure, the odds of each one forming individually would be multiplied together....resulting in very low odds that this structure could have formed naturally.

Well, let's have it, Sweaty. What are the odds ?

 

[Ashles]

What amazes me is that NASA sends a probe to the North Pole of Mars to look for life. Thats the sort of stupidity that ought to be followed up by mass-sackings. There's not a great deal of interesting gear at the Mars North Pole. Why not check out the Cydonia area? Or those strange shapes that Arthur C Clarke thought looked like giant plants? The decision itself would seem to be a good reason to save the taxpayer a great deal of money.

Oh dear God. How do these people get dressed?

 

[SweatyYeti]

Correa Neto wrote:

Sweaty, we once posted coordinates from places where, using Google Earth, similar features with straight lines can be seen.

Can you provide a link to those images?

The regularity of this particular formation goes well beyond just simple "straight lines".



Correa also wrote:

Note that I can get my crayons and draw other lines which may represent other fracture systems.

This from a person who posts pictures of Barney, as a way of analysing the PG Film subject.

 

[kitakaze]

Wild question, Sweaty - If the formation is so regular why is the inner area at the bottom so full of irregular crap?

 

[William Parcher]

Penalty flag for Reversal of the Burden of Proof.

Make a claim of artificial structures and talk about calculations and odds (never show math equations or results). Then force the skeptic to prove that they are not artificial structures. Offer nothing - demand everything.

 

[kitakaze]

This from a person who posts pictures of Barney, as a way of analysing the PG Film subject.

Oops, needs a fix:

"This from a person who posts pictures of Barney, as a way of demonstrating fundamental errors with my attempt to analyse the PG Film subject."

All better.

 

[kitakaze]

I can very easily imagine a giant brush coming down and brushing away all that sediment and the effect totally lost.

 

[shadron]

I'm just quoting the scientists. Earth didn't have a civilization a billion years ago so why Mars have had one?

Well, speculatively speaking, it may have been possible for earth to have had a civilization a billion years ago. At least three times (according to snowballearth.com) the earth was held in a snowball state for as much as 50 million years a pop. Each time, life, if it existed at that time, was pushed right back into an anaerobic bacterial stage, living around some black smokers in he deep oceans. It may have been possible for a civilization to arise between the SBEs; unless it engraved its name onto some very long-lifed gneisses, we'd probably not much know about it, global glaciers and plate techtonics being what they are. Had not the latest one (550 million years ago) not happened, intelligence may have evolved 100 millions years sooner. Had the dinosaurs (and large sea reptiles) not been so spectacularly successful, reigning supreme for 160 million years, perhaps we would have come that much sooner, or perhaps, if things had been more challenging for them, they'd have developed intelligence. All we can say about intelligence is that one time, right here, this is the timeline it followed. One sample point makes a poor mean and an absolutely rotten standard deviaion.

What may or may not have happened on Mars is about as independent from what happened here as it could be; the only thing we had in common was the sun.

 

[shadron]

Scientists believe that Mars is the way it is as the result of a hugh asteroid strike some billions of years ago when mars was wet and warm with tectonic activity. If Mars had a civilization it would have had to have been there over two billion years ago. The earth didn't have a civilization or intelligent life two billion years ago so why should Mars have had intelligent life and a civilization?

I don't know the source of your data, Cain, but let's look at it.

The last major strike or group of strikes the earth/moon went through (large enough to liquify the surface) was about 3.8 billion years ago (the close of the Hadeon eon and the start of the Archean Eon. Presumably Mars follows about the same timeline, as we are close solar neighbors. The Martian history goes something like this (very tentative, of course):

- Mars crust grows thick enough from loss of the initial heat of formation o stop continental drift: 3.5 bya
- Mars internal heating from radioactivity causes the Tharsis ridge bulge and the resulting volcanoes: 3-2.5 bya.
- the core freezes enough to reduce the magnetic field to nearly zero, with resulting loss of atmosphere: 2.5-2.0 bya.

It would seem, again very tentatively that Mars might have the capability of growing a civilazation if it could have happebned within a billion years. Could it? I don't know.

When water existed in liquid form on Mars it was extremely saline much more so than the earths ocean. This is not conducive to the formation of the more complex life forms that would be necessary for the evolution of intelligent life.

One, I don' know where you may have seen this salt hypothesis, but I think it would be very, very tentative, based on the fact that we've nothing we can subject to analysis here on earth, and secondly because our land sampling data is so sparse. Second, why couldn't life grow up in it? Life lives in he Dead Sea and the Great Salt Lake. Different strokes for different environments, I say.

I feel that this is a tradgedy because if Mars had stayed wet and relatively warm the human race would have had another place to live without the necessity of terraforming. Had Mars stayed warm the only intelligent life to live there would be human colonists.

Again, I find that last to be very speculative.

I don't think I need to say that I feel such a civilization is a long, long shot. I just disagree with your reasoning.

 

[Belz...]

The regularity of this particular formation goes well beyond just simple "straight lines".

They say there are none as blind as those who will not see; but actually there is: those who see things that aren't there.

 

[Cainkane1]

Be kind to mr. Yeti. The mans a dreamer. Those pictures do look artificial but they aren't. Wishful thinking can get the better of a person sometimes. If life had developed on mars wouldn't it be great if the life was still there? maybe there are simple organisms there as we speak. Only time will tell. Let me drem a minute. Say the oceans were still there. Say an intelligent life form was there building buildings, writing books, talking to us on radio and TV. Wouldn't that be cool? Alas it isn't so. I'd much rather there be no life there even than to discover the pitiful remains of buildings and perhaps the bodies of its now extinct intelligent inhabitants.

No let us the human race build a civilization there. Warm the planet up. Melt the water. Grow crops hrdroponically and thrive. No need to invent things.

 

[Cainkane1]

To answer your question as to where I got my information I got it off the net mainly from wikipedia.

 

[GMB]

Why The Filtered Photo?

Were you refering to this picture, GMB?...

You betcha. But why have you gone out of your way to use a photo that is so indistinct?

Have you not access to an honest photo that is somewhat clearer?

 

[GMB]

There are no "small odds" for that particular features to be formed naturally; there is only a great miscomprehension of geology. All it takes to create these features are two sets of orthogonal fractures (somethig very common).

Right. You got an example of this? If its common there ought to be an example of this on the moon or somewhere else.

 

[GMB]

They say there are none as blind as those who will not see; but actually there is: those who see things that aren't there.

Right so which are you? What do you think you are seeing from that and other shots? Is there any photos in that area that strike you as odd?

How about those shots of what looks like covered,banded, roads. Sort of tubular roads. Thats what they look like. Of course this is not to say that that is what they are.

 

[GMB]

The faux-certitude zone

It would seem, again very tentatively that Mars might have the capability of growing a civilazation if it could have happened within a billion years. Could it? I don't know.

Its absolutely impossible that Mars could have developed such an indigenous evolved intelligent life in that short a time. Its too small a planet and its not enough time. There wouldn't be both the interaction, nor would there be the opportunities for partial, but not total, isolation to speed up the evolutionary process.

Thats not what we are looking at here. We are not looking at something fully indigenous (supposing that we are seeing a civilization.) Now notice that last qualifier? I won't bother with any more disclaimers.

THE FAUX-CERTITUDE ZONE BEGINS.

No more qualifiers for the time being. I'm just going to assume the hypothesis I favour, as opposed to people trying to make a stooge out of Hoagland with doctored photos, or another thesis that we have a helluva lot to learn about geology...... I'm just going to assume the ancient civilisation hypothesis is right for the purposes of trying to make a forceful argument.

Its in no way full-blown remnants of a live world we are seeing there. There is little evidence for that. Instead what we are looking at is a lunar outpost. Hence the intelligent life must have originally come from elsewhere.

Now another thing. People seem so faux-certain about the history of Mars. But rightful certitude only comes from CONVERGENCE. Convergent evidence and convergent verification. And because there are many lines of convergence to the main features of the following Mars history I think something close to this ought to be the default position.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vwebbuvq4qo

 

[GMB]

It may have been possible for a civilization to arise between the SBEs

No chance. Too short a period of time to go from micro to intelligent macro and back. You'd just be getting some tiny fishy things, and then your act would be closed down again.