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SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

Good. So the artificial-looking structures are still there. Putting them through a special filter to take out all the detail couldn't make them go away. So they are still there. So they ought be considered to be evidence for some sort of lunar outpost.....

.... unless someone else has a better idea?
 
Focus On Evidence Smartass.

William Parcher said:
Some sort of loony outhouse.
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Well I said a BETTER idea and not a stupid idea. We were after a BETTER idea. One that doesn't run away from the evidence.

I had another paradigm that it was an elaborate rope-a-dope on the part of NASA. They jack up the obviously artificial shapes and then make a feeble attempt to downplay them as deep cover.

But still the shapes are there. And still they look to be artificial. So why run away from the evidence? To do so is occult-epistemology since it assumes that we can know what we cannot possibly know.

And still we don't have a reason to even so much as be skeptical about the possibility of intelligent life setting up an outpost in a place like that.
 
GMB said:
Well I said a BETTER idea and not a stupid idea. We were after a BETTER idea. One that doesn't run away from the evidence.

I had another paradigm that it was an elaborate rope-a-dope on the part of NASA. They jack up the obviously artificial shapes and then make a feeble attempt to downplay them as deep cover.

But still the shapes are there. And still they look to be artificial. So why run away from the evidence? To do so is occult-epistemology since it assumes that we can know what we cannot possibly know.

And still we don't have a reason to even so much as be skeptical about the possibility of intelligent life setting up an outpost in a place like that.
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Richard?
 
It only sounds like a joke. I'm focusing on the evidence. That moray eel thing could very well be a communal toilet. The spot that looks like an eye could be the entrance and allow thousands of the residents to go in and relieve themselves. It's loony because it isn't something like we build and it looks like an eel that is found on our planet.

Loony outhouse. Why the hell not?
 
Well you see you are a coward. You refuse to focus on the evidence. Its all just a little bit too hard for you isn't it. And you are no skeptic. Since a skeptic doesn't take the occult view that assumes he can know something by disregarding the evidence.

TRY AGAIN.

And do better this time.
 
We still haven't anyone who has put forward a suggestion as to what they think they know that makes an ancient lunar outpost implausible or something to be skeptical about. Since its not the afterlife. Or Allah-worship. Or some sort of paranormal thing.

Again.

What is it you think you know that makes such a setup less than plausible? There must be some paradigm that is causing resistance to the evidence as it stands at face value.
 
OMG, they built the outpost from wood! Here is a board.


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Right. Certainly looks pretty strange don't it.

What is your argument? You don't have one do you?
 
No reason why not. They would need an artificial atmosphere inside those big pyramidal buildings. Supposing thats what they are and we are assuming an outpost. They would need to grow food and such. There is more than enough CO2 to grow things with on the indoors supposing you have plenty of energy. So there is not a great deal of reason to suspect it is wood or it isn't wood or what have you. All that can be said is that it doesn't look like the type of shape you would see on the moon. One cannot know either way. And it might be helpful if NASA had a mind to investigating anything that looked interesting and not just things that were microscopic and didn't look interesting. But thats stolen-money organizations for you. They start off good and then they all go crazy.
 
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But then I forgot to ask how big this thing is. Its not normal to see shapes like that that are six foot long on the moon. But if its the size of some-ones toe then that is a little less odd.
 
You can see part of the rover for scale, I guess.

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Some rocks, a log and a Ridgeback Stingray fossil... I guess.

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So how big do you think the wood-looking object is? What would a metallic object that size look like after a million years with that sort of atmosphere? Like with those CO2 windstorms they get on Mars all the time when the solid CO2 turns to gas? Maybe even a big block of metal would wind up looking like that. Its the shape that is pretty strange the way I look at it.
 
It would be strange logic indeed to think that something that looks like a piece of wood negates the rest of the picture we have here. I mean how is it that having one thing we would not expect to see negates all this other stuff we would not expect to see?

What amazes me is that NASA sends a probe to the North Pole of Mars to look for life. Thats the sort of stupidity that ought to be followed up by mass-sackings. There's not a great deal of interesting gear at the Mars North Pole. Why not check out the Cydonia area? Or those strange shapes that Arthur C Clarke thought looked like giant plants? The decision itself would seem to be a good reason to save the taxpayer a great deal of money.
 
GMB said:
There is a picture posted of what looks like a pyramidal shaped structure. It is the first picture posted. Well thats not the clearest picture of that same object thats available. Surely thats occult-epistemology. Since an object ought be judged by its clearest picture and not by a picture where the object is indistinct.
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Were you refering to this picture, GMB?...


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I think this image shows the remains of an artificial structure....because of these attributes...

1) It has 2 sharp, square corners.
2) The 2 square corners oppose each other squarely...
3) The side with the most remaining material is extremely straight....
4) The fact that all of the squarely-arranged material is on the same level, and the surrounding area drops-off in elevation around it.

To see the different levels of ground more easily, I increased the contrast of the image...


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I added a line, to show how the material along the lower edge lines-up in a perfectly straight line...


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All these things indicate regularity, and are separate features.

So, in calculating the odds of these things all existing together in one structure, the odds of each one forming individually would be multiplied together....resulting in very low odds that this structure could have formed naturally.
 
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Sweaty, we once posted coordinates from places where, using Google Earth, similar features with straight lines can be seen.

There are no "small odds" for that particular features to be formed naturally; there is only a great miscomprehension of geology. All it takes to create these features are two sets of orthogonal fractures (somethig very common).

From this base, one can create at least two simple explanations:
1. The fractures are infilled by some material (veins, dikes) which resisted more to martian erosional and weathering processes.
2. An initially horizontal continous rock layer was eroded; the pattern created by the erosional remnants was dictated by the two sets of fratures.

Note that I can get my crayons and draw other lines which may represent other fracture systems.
 
GMB said:
There is a picture posted of what looks like a pyramidal shaped structure. It is the first picture posted. Well thats not the clearest picture of that same object thats available. Surely thats occult-epistemology. Since an object ought be judged by its clearest picture and not by a picture where the object is indistinct.
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GMB, I think you're going to have to tell Sweaty about his occult epistemology. If you read the OP, you would see that he was the one that submitted the image.
 
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