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SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

SweatyYeti said:
(In other words, John Boy....our lovely Universe has potential. ;) )

That being the case....I see no reason to 'laugh-off' the notion of alien life.


But if you feel the need to laugh....go right ahead. I can laugh at you, just as easily. It's a perfectly level 'playing field'.
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You misunderstand me SetiYeti (not sure if it's deliberate or not). I don't laugh at Seti or the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

Among other things I was wondering if you consider Seti closed minded for not endorsing UFO research or Cydonia fantasies?
 
SweatyYeti said:
In a VERY LARGE Universe (which is, for all practical purposes, limitless).....it's only people with very small minds who laugh at the possibilities of life outside of the Earth.

kitakaze would be one of those folks. :)
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SweatyYeti said:
Again....it's only people with small minds who will laugh at the possibilities that exist in a near-limitless universe.
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SweatyYeti said:
I see no reason to 'laugh-off' the notion of alien life.


But if you feel the need to laugh....go right ahead. I can laugh at you, just as easily. It's a perfectly level 'playing field'.

There is no real problem here, John.....you live in your small Universe....I'lll live in my very large Universe. :) There's plenty of room for the both of us.....and a few extraterrestrials.
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SweatyYeti has a problem with lying. He is a dishonest person who invents positions for people he is debating rather than dealing with their actual arguments. He is close-minded and conniving and has no place in sincere and rational debate.

Astro's link on open-mindedness was excellent. The video describes Sweaty's behaviour to a "T" particularly starting at 4:17:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Here is a simple yes or no question for Sweaty (he has trouble with these):

Rather than specifically civilizations on Mars and things like the STS-48 shuttle mission being evidence of alien visitation, do I laugh at the possibility of alien life in general? Yes or no.

If your answer is yes, could you point out a single post in which I do so? If the answer is no, can you please retract the statement regarding me specifically? People who intentionally make misrepresentations of other people are are a kind of scumbag reviled by others. Your misrepresentation was specific but hopefully not intentional.
 
SweatyYeti said:
No, 'non-natural', created, objects on Mars is not 'make-believe'....it may be right in front of your eyes...
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Sweaty, you are making the conclusion you desire before you have all the facts. Some of those pictures show things which look weird to me but I'm not convinced they all show manufactured objects. Why should anyone accept as you have that they are in fact all created?
 
SweatyYeti said:
There's an interesting contradiction in people's thinking. While many people will agree (as you just stated) that... "it's very likely (alien) life exists elsewhere in the universe".....they'll also scoff, laugh and giggle at the idea that... " (alien) life has visited the Earth, or Mars".


But yet.....there is no basic difference between those 2 postulates.

Intelligent, alien :boxedin: life can.....potentially.....exist ANYWHERE in this universe.


Again....it's only people with small minds who will laugh at the possibilities that exist in a near-limitless universe.
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I don't think it's ridiculous at all the alien life might have made it to Earth. I think it's quite possible that there may have been microbes in objects that have landed on Earth. I'm quite willing to accept that there might be alien life. I would be very surprised if there wasn't. I think it even possible that we might find alien life in our own solar system (like on Mars). It may be the case but talking about an alien race building a civilization on Mars and visiting us now an being blasted at by some type of weapon on Earth is a completely different story. In my own personal opinion I think it's quite likely that out there among the stars the exists on other worlds other intelligent beings.

Here's the problem, though. You said that we have vastness and time to consider when thinking about intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I will absolutely agree with that. When it comes to that intelligent life showing up on our doorstep and making civilizations on the planet next to us, I consider those things to actually be working against such a possibility. I envision hypothetical alien species of intelligent beings and extending to technologically advanced species to be like lights winking on and off on a Christmas tree. I think the likelihood of life emerging on a world, then producing higher life forms, then producing eventually intelligent life, then producing intelligent life that can create advanced technology and leave it's own planet, being within a reasonable travelling distance of Earth to be highly unlikely in the extreme.

And why should I think that what you believe really happened? Because of some little bit of debris or ice on a NASA shuttle camera? Or some pictures of what you think are buildings and artifacts on Mars? I'm sorry but as a rational person, I'm going to need more substantial evidence before I adopt the position you have. I know you think there are connections between Martian civilizations and Avebury and Silbury Hill but there is a simple question to cinsider. If aliens showed up in our solar system some time over the millenia, why would they stop on Mars and set up shop when they could have gone just a wee bit farther than the enormous distances they travelled and do the same on some nice corner of Earth. If you really think they did, then what evidence supports the idea?

The point is, Sweaty, you need to paint people at the JREF as being close-minded for not accepting the same ideas as you. However, being open to the possibility of alien life and even alien civilizations but being skeptical of them having a long presence in our solar system and continuing to visit us today (to the extent that we are apparently in a clandestine hi-tech war with them) are not mutually exclusive. There's no contradiction there at all. You desire to create the false premise that there is one because you desire in your beliefs that it really might be we, rather than you, who are being irrational. You may be loathe to accept this but the fact is that you've made a big leap of faith based on your own personal desires about alien life rather than solid evidence. None of the images you presented qualify as solid evidence. You are welcome to believe but you can not push those beliefs as being most likely correct.
 
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Here is proof that giants once lived on Earth.

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SweatyYeti said:
When you consider the vastness of time....and then consider the fact that solar systems (and, consequently, their native life) are out-of-step with each other as far as their stages of development.....you have the potential for life on one planet to be thousands, or even millions of years ahead of life on another planet.
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Yet having reinvented or circumvented the laws of physics to get here, 'your' aliens proceed to behave in a spectacularly dull and unimaginative way once they are.

Think about it. Think of the advances we've made in genetic engineering or even stealth technology in the last 30 years. Then fast forward a million. If they really were here, relaying reams of data about us 'home' - I doubt we'd ever know. And yes I'm speculating :D.
 
kitakaze said:
Astro's link on open-mindedness was excellent. The video describes Sweaty's behaviour to a "T" particularly starting at 4:17:
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Doesn't it just? Thanks for the Youtube link - I was unable to download the vid from Astro's original link for some reason, but I can save the this one!
 
I know I should be playing tennis or swimming or something, but I would like to spend a lazy summer afternoon talking about utter nonsense. And so it is that I hoist this thread from the depths. It's a good one and we've been touching on the subject matter in other threads...

kitakaze said:
SweatyYeti said:
Perhaps God thinks his Universe is beautiful.

Mine....and a few billion other wonderful people's.

Btw, kit....you forgot to include these very un-rocklike favorites of mine......sitting on Mars...

The first image has 2 anomalous objects in it...(arrows not needed ;) )...

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That's excellent. A typical Bible turkey response to facts that don't gel with their storybook. Who needs thinking? We can just snap our fingers and say God did it. So the Earth is 6000 years old, right? Or did they screw that one up?

Maybe instead of giving us Christian nonsense, you can explain why, if their is a thinking mind behind DNA and evolution, that the vast majority of life's 3.8 billion year history on Earth has been spent as single cell organisms? Was that this God of yours attempt at irony? Did he have a thing for bacteria where he was really obsessed with it for basically nearly the entire history of the planet that he caused to coalesce from gas and dust?

And I note that you very emphatically emphasize your sky spook's gender. So it's a he. How odd that this divine creator of yours pulling the strings behind the genetic code of everything has a feature of biological reproduction. Gender - an evolutionary adaption for a species' continued survival. God has an evolutionary adaption. So, again, who designed the genetic code of this divine creator of yours. Who made the maker, Sweaty?




No, I didn't. That's your Martian civilization gobbledy-gook that somehow you inexplicably don't view as a dump in your Christian pool. That and your unseen war with the UFO's in our orbit. Are the UFO's we're blasting at fallen angels, Sweaty?

Your Martian fetish is represented by the picture of Avebury and Mars. OMG, rocks can't be shiny. We must tell the geolgists right away. I guess these must be chunks of fudge or something...
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I think it would be fun to talk about constructed non-human objects on Mars. Be careful when discussing this stuff with Sweaty. He has a head full of contradictory nonsense that can be difficult sorting out and if you don't appreciate crazy ransom note responses where he shouts and cackles like Gargamel from the Smurfs on meth, you may want to go read a RSLancaster thread or something like that. Sweaty thinks Yahweh is our divine creator and architect behind the genetic code curtain. He thinks Bigfoot lives across North America. He thinks there is some internecine warfare happening between some cabal group on Earth that blasts unknown weapon technology at UFO's in orbit. It's a big gobbledy-gook mess, but it's fun to see in action.

Once again, Sweaty, here's your shiny rocks...
 

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Sweaty, could you weigh in for us on the Mars "skull" also from Gusev crater? Here it is...





And what about Patty on Mars?

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Excellent addition, Jake. The need to believe in hooey is so strong fortean addicts like Sweaty, that nothing will sway him from the preconceived notion that intelligent life connected inexplicably to our own world existed on Mars. You could not sway Sweaty from this. He'll have none of it. You could sit there and ask him to run through step by step exactly how there was this ancient connection with things on Earth made by humans that are thousands of years old and things on Mars millions of years old that are made by.... ??? How exactly is Avebury connected to Cydonia? You will not get a coherent response from Sweaty. What you will get is some bizarre post that looks like it was made by a crazy person in which he uses all-caps, elipsis fits, giant fonts, coloured text, and repeated emoticons to tell you how stupid and close-minded you are for not getting it. He is impervious to rationality. He sees a shiny rock. Oh. That's Martian construction. Piece of debris being blasted away by a shuttle's engines? Well, duh~ . That's clearly a UFO in our orbit being blasted at with unknown weaponry by a secret cabal group on the surface of the Earth. Genetic code? Yahweh did it. Lady says she and her daughter saw Bigfoot in Valatie, NY in 1983? They're he~re.

Incurable fortean addict...

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The real world and the real universe are fascinating enough for me.Why isn't it enough for the delusionauts?
 
This whole website is wishful thinking and self brainwashing. I personally would love to see evidence of a martian civilization although it would sadden and frighten me at the same time. Sadden me because the civilization along with its people is now dead. Frighten me because the same thing could happen to us.
 
Cainkane1 said:
This whole website is wishful thinking and self brainwashing.
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I personally would love to see evidence of a martian civilization although it would sadden and frighten me at the same time. Sadden me because the civilization along with its people is now dead. Frighten me because the same thing could happen to us.
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I would neither be sad nor frightened. I would be to busy freaking out over the awesomeness that not only have we found life elsewhere in the universe, we found it literally next door. And in the most stunning, mind-boggling part of that news, it's actually intelligent life that could construct civilizations. I would be amongst the millions across the Earth scrambling to know more and to know how are space agencies missed this massive thing.
 
I would have loved to have seen pictures of ancient buildings on Mars.Blurry images of natural formations do fit the bill.
 
Whatever happened to SwEaTy YeTi anyway? I miss his spirited and colorful lack of dialogue.
 
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