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SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

I have no problem agreeing with you fully here, Sweaty. Very, very weird. Those two objects don't at all appear to be natural rocks at all. At first I wondered if the rock to the upper left of the moray eel looking thing was similar to the weird... what, I don't know... bell/pantaloon/whatsit thing. They don't really have the same irregular features though, do they? Notice the slits in the pantaloon thing - the one closest to the ground that looks a bit like the Star Trek symbol. I can't quit tell if that is actually a slit in a hollow object or just a depression in a solid object. Under the slit there appears to be a large crack which takes me back to thinking rock of some sort. I honestly don't quite know what to make of it.

The upward curving feature on the moray eel thing is not like any type of rock formation I've seen either. Sweaty, do you have any thoughts on what you think you're looking at? Also did the source site for where you got the photo venture any ideas of what those things might be? To be clear, I don't think I'm seeing evidence of a Martian civilization. I think I'm either seeing material from the lander, rocks with weird wear on them, or without knowing the source image, possibly an altered image. I would think if a person was going to alter an image that they would make something a little more presentable but who knows. Actually, if you look directly below the circle spot on the pantaloon there is a smaller rock that kinda looks like the head of the alien species from the Dennis Quaid movie Enemy Mine. Yep, I got pareidolia.

What I know for sure is that I can't look at that image and conclude that Mars was at one time home to an alien civilization.
 
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I have no problem agreeing with you fully here, Sweaty. Very, very weird. Those two objects don't at all appear to be natural rocks at all. At first I wondered if the rock to the upper left of the moray eel looking thing was similar to the weird... what, I don't know... bell/pantaloon/whatsit thing. They don't really have the same irregular features though, do they?
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I'm not sure which 'rock' you're refering to, kitty, to the left of the eel thingy.

I circled the other thing in the image which looks anomalous to me...


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Between it's darker color, smooth texture, and the regular-looking curved hole in the front, it lools like something which could be 'unnatural'.


But, regardless, the 'moray eel' thing steals the show...and appears to have an extremely small chance of being just 'natural geology'.


The upward curving feature on the moray eel thing is not like any type of rock formation I've seen either. Sweaty, do you have any thoughts on what you think you're looking at?
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The 'tail' is what really sets it apart from any of the rocks around it...and from rocks just about anywhere, for that matter!

At the moment, I'm stuck between thinking it's either the frozen, dried-up remains of a living creature...or a mechanical device of some sort.
It seems to have features of both.....but I'm leaning slightly more towards a mechanical thing, because of the lack of any limbs on it.




Also did the source site for where you got the photo venture any ideas of what those things might be? To be clear, I don't think I'm seeing evidence of a Martian civilization. I think I'm either seeing material from the lander, rocks with weird wear on them, or without knowing the source image, possibly an altered image. I would think if a person was going to alter an image that they would make something a little more presentable but who knows.
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I don't remember where I found that image originally. I'm looking for it...but it may take a while to find the original NASA image number.

Here is a video with some more anomalies, courtesy of the Rovers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJOQWCdKEUM


Notice the slits in the pantaloon thing - the one closest to the ground that looks a bit like the Star Trek symbol. I can't quit tell if that is actually a slit in a hollow object or just a depression in a solid object. Under the slit there appears to be a large crack which takes me back to thinking rock of some sort. I honestly don't quite know what to make of it.



Actually, if you look drectly below the circle spot on the pantaloon there is a smaller rock that kinda looks like the head of the alien species from the Dennis Quaid movie Enemy Mine. Yep, I got pareidolia.
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Can you circle the things you're refering to, in those statements?
I'm not seeing what you're describing.
 
In Parcher's blue circle I see an eagle about to swoop down on the moray eel. Its beak is pointing directly at the eel's head and you can see the left eye. Maybe it's part of a diorama left behind by a Martian grade school kid.
 
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In Parcher's blue circle I see an eagle about to swoop down on the moray eel. Its beak is pointing directly at the eel's head and you can see the left eye. Maybe it's part of a diorama left behind by a Martian grade school kid.
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That's cool, I called it 'Eagle catching snake' on the Bigfoot thread. I think Moray Eel is more appropriate as far as head shape, but remember, Moray eels don't live on Mars, so it has to be a snake.

Parcher, that could be two different rocks... But this is MARS man, MARS!
 
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Scientists believe that Mars is the way it is as the result of a hugh asteroid strike some billions of years ago when mars was wet and warm with tectonic activity. If Mars had a civilization it would have had to have been there over two billion years ago. The earth didn't have a civilization or intelligent life two billion years ago so why should Mars have had intelligent life and a civilization? When water existed in liquid form on Mars it was extremely saline much more so than the earths ocean. This is not conducive to the formation of the more complex life forms that would be necessary for the evolution of intelligent life. I feel that this is a tradgedy because if Mars had stayed wet and relatively warm the human race would have had another place to live without the necessity of terraforming. Had Mars stayed warm the only intelligent life to live there would be human colonists.
 
This was my take on the photo when Sweaty originally posted it in the PGF thread:



O.K. so here's what I see:
1. At the top of the picture is a petrified sea serpent.
2. Toward the middle is an alien head with a blow whole in the forehead.
3. Next to it is a baby petrified sea serpent.
4. Just to the right of that is a melted alien head.
5. Just under that is a partially buried alien head.
6. Furthest to the right is a parrot-beaked alien head.

Evidence for alien civilization? Hell, I can see the damned aliens for myself.
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SweatyYeti, excalty how much experience do you have in the science of the geology of a low-oxygen, low-moisture, low-temperature, low-pressure, low-gravity planet?

Why should anyone use as a standard for evidence your personal incredulity in a field you have no relevant experience in?
 
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But, regardless, the 'moray eel' thing steals the show...and appears to have an extremely small chance of being just 'natural geology'.
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After all, who ever heard of curved rocks?

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Come on, now. Just because you don't realize even Earth geology makes weird things, that doesn't mean that every weird rock on Mars is left over from an ancient civilization. More to the point, I look at almost all of your pictures and I can't even tell what you're getting excited over. At least in the "eel rock" picture, there's one obviously nifty quirk of geology in the middle there.
 
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I'm not sure which 'rock' you're refering to, kitty, to the left of the eel thingy.
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It's the second highest circled rock in drapier's post.

I circled the other thing in the image which looks anomalous to me...
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That's what I referred to as "the pantaloon."

But, regardless, the 'moray eel' thing steals the show...and appears to have an extremely small chance of being just 'natural geology'.
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We need to emphasize "appears." It doesn't look like natural geology to you or I but neither of us are geologists and we know squat about Martian geology. We need to be far more educated before we can talk definitively about extremely small chances. Don't you think that's fair? Correa would be a good person to ask.

At the moment, I'm stuck between thinking it's either the frozen, dried-up remains of a living creature...or a mechanical device of some sort.
It seems to have features of both.....but I'm leaning slightly more towards a mechanical thing, because of the lack of any limbs on it.
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Now I may be no Mars expert but I know enough that considering freeze-dried unagi to be sitting there is ludicrous. If it's mechanical, I have no idea what it is but then it should be from the lander. I think you go way overboard when you make it clear that you consider this far more likely to be alien life/design than something else. It is weird and I would like to see if we can maybe find out more. I look forward to what you come up with in terms of nailing a source.
 
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There is a picture posted of what looks like a pyramidal shaped structure. It is the first picture posted. Well thats not the clearest picture of that same object thats available. Surely thats occult-epistemology. Since an object ought be judged by its clearest picture and not by a picture where the object is indistinct.

Supposing we have a picture of someone talking to Saddam Hussein. Suppose we have ten clear pictures and a 100 smudged, filtered, or indistinct pictures. No matter the number of failed photographs one has they can detract nothing from the clear pictures in terms of evidence.
 
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"Now I may be no Mars expert but I know enough that considering freeze-dried unagi to be sitting there is ludicrous. If it's mechanical, I have no idea what it is but then it should be from the lander."

Does it look like its from the lander? Have you any reason to believe its from the lander? Why would it be from the lander? It looks to worn to be from the lander. Clearly its NOT from the lander. No use claiming its from the lander when it isn't from lander. The idea is to live with the evidence no matter what it is.
 
"I remember reading Graham Hancock's The Mars Mystery when I was younger and being intrigued by it. I'm happy to report that my critical thinking skills improved and not because of that book."

Have they? So do you have an explanation for all the artificial-looking shapes and objects on Mars? Bearing in mind that triangular shapes are not thought to be natural occurrences.

Now what is the objection to the idea of an ancient lunar base on Mars in the first place? What is it that people think they know that goes against that paradigm?

This is what I'll have to ask again and again. What is it that you think you know? And on what basis do you think you know it? If that basis is coming from only bigotry or intuition then this is not skepticism. Rather it is occult-epistemology.

There are many objects on Mars that indeed at least LOOK artificial. Its occult-epistemology to wish that away through lying or being dim about matters.

Why not take the evidence at face value? That these objects LOOK artificial (and I can say that without controversy) means that taking them at face value, our first assumption would be that they WERE artificial. But what assumptions do people have that would deter them from following where it is the evidence leads them?

To run away from the evidence is not skepticism but its opposite.
 
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"At least crow logic is coherent SOME of the time. Is it your destiny Sweaty to cling to every two bit hoax out there and argue it well past the dead horse stage?

Just curious. You seem to be giving Creekfreak a severe run for the money here."

I'm not seeing any reasoning from your side of the argument. Are people attempting to disaggregate each individual piece of evidence? If so this is irrational. The evidence ought be seen in context. We have what looks like the remnants of an industrial compound. Thats the layout of the shapes at Cydonia.

We are not talking the paranormal here. Since there is no reason to not think that intelligent life might set up camp on Mars and the evidence points to it, we need to ask why it is that people are in denial of the evidence.

Over at the global warming threads we see people believing this massive fraud without any evidence whatsoever. At this thread we have people in denial of the evidence. Its the same root cause. Its the contempt for evidence and working backwards from the evidence rather then trying to figure out what it is that the evidence means.
 
The quote on the bottom right of what?

Will the quote on the bottom right make the artificial (looking) structures go away so you won't have to consider them as evidence?
 
GMB said:
The quote on the bottom right of what?
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At the bottom right of the box that contains this message you will see a "button" with the word "Quote" in it.

Will the quote on the bottom right make the artificial (looking) structures go away so you won't have to consider them as evidence?
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No, but try using the quote function anyway. It will help you present your posts in a format that is easier to follow.

Have a nice day.
 
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