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Does Crime Pay? "Somali Jack" Sparrow says "Yes!"

Eyl isn't much more than a wide spot in the road. Wouldn't take much of a force on the ground to surround and capture the entire place.

If it's known to be a pirate den, I'm not sure what the problem is exactly. Presumably everyone agrees that something should be done, but tends to feel that someone else should be doing it.
 
This is apparently breaking news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081118/ts_afp/somaliaunrestpiracy

May be slightly off, but a first report. Tried to find confirmation in BBC and did not yet.
The British tanker Trafalgar was surrounded in the Gulf of Aden by at least eight speedboats. It radioed for help and a German frigate patrolling 12 miles away despatched a Sea Lynx helicopter.

The German navy said that the pirates fled as the helicopter approached them.
If this story stands up, I'd like to tip my mein hut to the German Helicopter pilot in the Lynx, and the captain of his frigate who sent him to assist the Trafalgar.

Ya done good! :)

DR
 
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Eyl isn't much more than a wide spot in the road. Wouldn't take much of a force on the ground to surround and capture the entire place.

What do you do once you have captured it though?
 
What do you do once you have captured it though?

Remove the pirates, weapons, speedboats and any loot or evidence linking the pirates to the crimes. Then leave and let the villagers go back to fishing for a living.
 
I still say we should tear a page out of the Dealing With Barbary Coast Pirates handbook and deal out some hurt.
 
I still say we should tear a page out of the Dealing With Barbary Coast Pirates handbook and deal out some hurt.


Looks as if Obama might be the first President since Jefferson to have to deal with a major Piracy problem.
 
Can somebody bring us up to speed on current maritime law re piracy? Are there any "international waters" left anywhere? If so, and if you caught some pirates in them, what, aside from common decency, would prevent you from icing them then and there?


Like Darth Rotor said, 12 nautical miles; but if you're known to be icing people, better have some proof that they were indeed perps. Camera evidence, so on.

The cost of a security detail is how much, in comparison? Doubtless some clever MBA sort did a cost benefit risk analysis and found it to be cheaper just to pay, rather than increase payroll. :p This attitude strikes me as similar to how airline hijacking was dealt with for so long.


I'm all in favour of shoot-to-kill; but there are many practical problems.

Many flag nations (nations that "hire" their flag to merchant vessels, i.e. the countries where the merchant vessels are registered) do not allow small-arms on merchant ships registered with them.

Many ports do not allow entry by a merchant vessel that has small-arms on board.

These two details already mean a good many merchant vessels simply cannot carry armed security details, without even getting to the question of costs (not small).

Getting patrols by naval units is difficult; it's a huge stretch of sea area.


..... I think it's long overdue that the various navies in the area start boarding every fishing boat they see to search for evidence of piracy


It's a huge stretch of sea area.

My understanding is that a corridor has been made in which no ships have been succesfully attacked. The problem is that the pirates now attack up to 450 miles from Somalia shores, basically they hit before ships reach the corridor.


Now they're up to 500 sea miles from base, and they will probably extend that.

So why can't we monitor the movements of all ships and small boats in the area, then send intercept teams to investigate suspicious behavior?


Because it's a huge area.

You can bet that the ransom money being paid now is flowing uphill to the Islamic Courts. Putting them back in power won't help things. Might even make it worse.


Very doubtful. The Islamic Courts no longer have any great power in anywhere of Somalia, and the pirates are operating out of an area where the Islamic Courts never had any but theoretical power anyway.

Don't count on that, especially if the US is involved. The UN is so stupidly anti-American anymore that they wouldn't approve of the US shooting down enemy bombers headed towards our shores.


Travis, you need the CT forum, not this one. Have fun with the tin hat.
 
This has been reported here, too.
Good news.

I admit a complete bias to enthusiastically applauding the exploits of naval helicopter pilots. I wonder if my old friend Rainer, a German Navy helicopter pilot, is having a pint in celebration of this.

I'll have one for him, just in case. :)

DR
 
Travis, you need the CT forum, not this one. Have fun with the tin hat.

Not necessary. As Geni pointed out my assertion was without merit. The UN probably would approve of such things but that might take too long.
 
In any kind of conflict it's a good idea if you can disrupt your opponent's supply lines.
So why not ban the international trade in eye patches, hand hooks, parrots, tricorns, peg legs, blue beards, pieces of eight, blacked out teeth, cutlasses, and dodgy Cornish accents?
If the UN hasn't thought of this already you have to ask what do its tens of thousands of well-paid employees actually spend their time doing all ****ing day, Jim lad (oops).
 
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Because it's a huge area.

You solve big problems by dividing them up into smaller problems, not by asserting that the problem is too big to solve.

Somalia has about 3,000 km of coastline. If we wanted to put a small patrol boat every 15 km, it would take 200 boats. Or a small number of aircraft could keep an eye on the entire coastline.

Since most of the pirate activity is coming from a few coastal towns, we can concentrate our efforts. Intercepting most of the traffic coming from those towns would not require a large force.
 
Remove the pirates, weapons, speedboats and any loot or evidence linking the pirates to the crimes. Then leave and let the villagers go back to fishing for a living.

Removeing all the weapons from a somali town? Would take rather a long time and would probably be more merciful to kill them quicky.

You've got to find all this stuff anyway while hanging around in a country where war is a way of life.
 
You solve big problems by dividing them up into smaller problems, not by asserting that the problem is too big to solve.
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Since most of the pirate activity is coming from a few coastal towns, we can concentrate our efforts. Intercepting most of the traffic coming from those towns would not require a large force.


Good luck mounting what would be essentially a long, frustrating occupation on land.

I'll tell you what, you pay for it all, and I'm sure everyone will be happy to go along with it. Let us know the grand plan, and finance it.
 

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