• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Does Crime Pay? "Somali Jack" Sparrow says "Yes!"

It also strikes me that a bait ship operated by Marines would be a nice trick. What looks like a nice fat target and all of a sudden the tarp comes off the "lifeboat" to reveal a mini-gun and next thing you know there's about 300 20mm holes in the pirate boat in a span of 3 seconds. Drop the pieces of the pirates that remain over their home port so the message gets around, maybe with a dvd showing the homies exactly what happened.

Anyone else want to roll the dice?

Yaaar!

Probably some sort of stupid law against that though.
 
WildCat said:
It also strikes me that a bait ship operated by Marines would be a nice trick. What looks like a nice fat target and all of a sudden the tarp comes off the "lifeboat" to reveal a mini-gun and next thing you know there's about 300 20mm holes in the pirate boat in a span of 3 seconds. Drop the pieces of the pirates that remain over their home port so the message gets around, maybe with a dvd showing the homies exactly what happened.

Anyone else want to roll the dice?

Yaaar!

Probably some sort of stupid law against that though.
Click to expand...
You clearly have no idea how large the area under pirate attack is.
 
DanishDynamite said:
You clearly have no idea how large the area under pirate attack is.
Click to expand...
No problem! Just start mounting them with a marine crew on dozens of ships in the area.

And if you want overkill to a ridiculous degree (and of course you do!) the Dutch make a hell of a 30mm mini-gun:



eta: Don't tell Steve Grenard, but I think they got a whale caught in there... :p
 
Last edited:
DanishDynamite said:
No hope in hell of hitting their on shore bases, but perhaps some hope of hitting their "mother" ships. What does international maritime laws have to say on this, I wonder.
Click to expand...

I suspect that sinking a ship caught in the act of piracy is allowed.

So why can't we monitor the movements of all ships and small boats in the area, then send intercept teams to investigate suspicious behavior?
 
WildCat said:
No problem! Just start mounting them with a marine crew on dozens of ships in the area.
Click to expand...

Q-ship? Main problems are that it would take rather a long time cost rather a lot and the ships are not american. You also have the problem that you are going to have a hard time makeing piracy dangerious enough compared to normal somalia to offset the potential rewards.
 
Kestrel said:
I suspect that sinking a ship caught in the act of piracy is allowed.

So why can't we monitor the movements of all ships and small boats in the area, then send intercept teams to investigate suspicious behavior?
Click to expand...

Because it is rather a large area ans small fiberglass boats don't show up on radar too well. The time between suspicious behavior starting and boarding the ship and haveing hostages is also rather short.
 
I am a merchant mariner and I am a litle surprised at the legal technicalities surrounding pirates.

A danish warship (Absalon) captured 10 pirates and then had to release them as there were no way to procecute them.

Wildcat´s Q-ships are tempting but not practical, there are simply too many ships in the area to make them a likely target.

The english channel and øresund have no pirates, not due to military patrolls, but due to conditions ashore. So pirates are best fought from shore.

There were an interwiev with a shipping company complaining about lack of efford from the goverment.
Interesting part is that when the seafarers mention warzone pay the area is suddently safe. And they expect action from denmark even if their ships are registrated in liberia, malta, isle of mann, or panama, and pay taxes there.

So unless there are changes in somalia, we must hope for a change in un mandate and number of warships off somalia.
I am sailing between masailles and casablanca, outside of danger.
 
WildCat said:
No problem! Just start mounting them with a marine crew on dozens of ships in the area.

And if you want overkill to a ridiculous degree (and of course you do!) the Dutch make a hell of a 30mm mini-gun:



eta: Don't tell Steve Grenard, but I think they got a whale caught in there... :p
Click to expand...
The area is over a million square miles. I suspect your super weapon wouldn't have the range or the accuracy.
 
Perhaps it would help to get the islamic courts bach in power in somalia. They installed some sort of order.
 
Toke said:
And they expect action from denmark even if their ships are registrated in liberia, malta, isle of mann, or panama, and pay taxes there.
Click to expand...

I'm feeling it may be a good time to reform the ship flagging system.
 
Toke said:
Perhaps it would help to get the islamic courts bach in power in somalia. They installed some sort of order.
Click to expand...

Perhaps but the pirates are getting to the point where they would be strong enough to hold them off even if they wanted to do something about it.
 
geni said:
Perhaps but the pirates are getting to the point where they would be strong enough to hold them off even if they wanted to do something about it.
Click to expand...

The islamic courts were kicked out with support from ethiopia and the US, they could be put back the same way.
 
Toke said:
I am a merchant mariner and I am a litle surprised at the legal technicalities surrounding pirates.

A danish warship (Absalon) captured 10 pirates and then had to release them as there were no way to procecute them.
Click to expand...

Is this simply a problem with Danish law? If a US or UK warship intercepted the pirates, I believe they could be prosecuted.

Toke said:
Wildcat´s Q-ships are tempting but not practical, there are simply too many ships in the area to make them a likely target.
Click to expand...

Putting a military team onboard ships that are likely targets would also be much simpler.

Toke said:
The english channel and øresund have no pirates, not due to military patrolls, but due to conditions ashore. So pirates are best fought from shore.

There were an interwiev with a shipping company complaining about lack of efford from the goverment.
Interesting part is that when the seafarers mention warzone pay the area is suddently safe. And they expect action from denmark even if their ships are registrated in liberia, malta, isle of mann, or panama, and pay taxes there.

So unless there are changes in somalia, we must hope for a change in un mandate and number of warships off somalia.
I am sailing between masailles and casablanca, outside of danger.
Click to expand...

You are right, the problem with pirates off the coast of Somalia is due to conditions in Somalia. Until we can fix that, we will have to put more warships in the area.
 
rwguinn said:
Works for me.
  • They created the damn problem, let 'em solve it.
  • Anytime the West tries to help,
  • we get more terrorism,
  • and the Europeans sell 'em the weapons...
Click to expand...
  • ????
  • Profit!!!!
That's how the joke goes, right? :cool:

Where is the downside? Something fun for our Navies to do, the feeling of doing good by putting down pirates, and profit from the arms sales.

I see no downside. :cool:

DR
 
Toke said:
I am a merchant mariner and I am a litle surprised at the legal technicalities surrounding pirates.

A danish warship (Absalon) captured 10 pirates and then had to release them as there were no way to procecute them.
Click to expand...
Shark bait.

Where is the problem here?
I am sailing between masailles and casablanca, outside of danger.
Click to expand...
How cool! :) Hope you enjoy your job.

DR
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom