Hilarious Steven Jones article

[beachnut]

Because, as P.T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

That is why the truth movement grows.


Knowledge coupled with sound judgment can cure those afflicted with Jones Thermite Lies.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Doesn't use any science? I've read them and it is all science.

I don't doubt that to YOU it would seem like science. After all, he is telling you what you want to hear. My claim about Santa Claus is all science too, as I have read it.

 

[Clippy]

The lack of experts coming forward to defend the NIST explanation is explained quite simply. The research community (barring a few nutballs and agenda-driven liars) have looked at the theory, the evidence for it, and found it satisfactory.

Any evidence for that? Have there been surveys of the experts?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

BTW, we should also not the lack of people coming out to support the theory of gravity and the earth being round. The flat earth society is just growing and growing. Maybe when the Twoof movement reaches the size of the flat earth society, you might start making a dent.

 

[beachnut]

What's odd is that none of the experts will put their money where there mouth is. I have seen not seen anyone of these experts come out and try to explain the phenomena in a sincere manner. You tell us they all "agree". Agree on what?

The NIST report has been shown to be full of holes and unbacked theories. I want to hear it from the experts themselves.

Unfortunately there is a lack of these people coming out in support of the official theory. Where are these experts that you refer to? There is little testimony that accounts for what happened, and little attempt to debunk Steven Jones completely.

If Jones was a fraud, he would have lost his following a long time ago. Instead he is continuing to write papers and gaining a following.

You missed the many reports and studies down on the WTC. I expect you are behind a few years looking up reports on 9/11. Some cost money! You failed again.

The NIST report is not full of holes, you have been told that and you repeat it mindlessly. Stop being a drone.
You spew these lies and fail to provide evidence. Nice try, but stop pushing lies.

Wrong again, there are many reports and they blow your ideas out of the water. BTW, your bogus movement of fools has 0.00087 percent of all engineers who support you. What a majority! Lol

Jones is a fraud. If Jones is a fraud? Thermite? Do you understand not a single piece of thermite evidence was found? Your movement only grows with the addition of people who are in complete ignorance over 9/11 issues.

 

[Evilgiraffe]

Has there been much 9/11 related traffic in the respectable journals recently?

No. Ergo, the respectable researchers have moved on.

 

[uk_dave]

Any evidence for that? Have there been surveys of the experts?

Go ahead then.

 

[twinstead]

One would think a 'survey of the experts' is EXACTLY what the truth movement would have concentrated on first. The reason why they haven't? As long as an expert doesn't explicitly state he has no problem with the official account, then he can be considered a potential advocate of the conspiracy theories, at least in the truther's minds.

I also claim that this earth-shattering evidence they claim to have would be laughed out of any legitimate court in the land. What do the truthers do to challenge that? You'd think the courts would be full of lawsuits. Nope. Their answer is to post on relatively obscure internet sites and discussion forums.

These aren't the actions of a coherent movement. These are actions of people who know deep down that real experts and law enforcement agencies would laugh their butts off at them.

 

[papasmurf]

So is anyone going to explain the molten iron/steel or are you just going reach desperately for straws and try to insult me?

I'd welcome any solid theory that explains the pools of molten metal, but so far thermite is the only plausible explanation.

 

[papasmurf]

You don't get it do you? The whole problem is that Jones doesn't use any science in his arguments and doesn't back his own statements up with any science, thus they aren't proven.

It's like me telling you Santa Claus is real and then you asking everyone to show where I am scientifically wrong in my research.


And making the truth movement larger? What did you kids break the 100s barrier now?

Did you even read what Jones wrote? The latest article that Wildcat was so kind to show us is in the Environmentalist journal.... Not science?

You are the one making the outrageous and unsupported claims.

If it's not science, you should be able to pull apart Jones's article piece by piece into shreds, but i highly doubt you can even begin to do that, because you are johnnyclueless.


What is your expertise that allows you to assert without evidence that Jones is not using science? (this is a trick question because not even an expert can assert something without supporting it)

 

[WildCat]

So is anyone going to explain the molten iron/steel

What molten iron/steel?

I'd welcome any solid theory that explains the pools of molten metal,

Pools of molten metal, or pools of molten steel?

but so far thermite is the only plausible explanation.

So now you are also claiming, like Jones, that there was thermite burning for weeks in the pile?

 

[Mancman]

You haven't showed me he lied in the least bit. This is a mere assertion and is not proven.

He claims the office fires did not reach 1000C, as does NIST. You say they were just because one test with massive amounts of wood was able to show that is possible for an office fire to get to 1000C. This is not proof of any lies.

NIST does not claim the fire failed to reach 1000 C. Haven't you looked at any of the fire simulations they performed?
You continue to deny 1000 C is possible but have yet to provide any evidence. Here is your problem compounded:

Glass, brass electric fixtures, and lighter brass parts on typewriters and machinery, fused freely at many points in most all stories above the fifth. (Temperatures estimated at 1400 to 1800 degrees Fahr.) Copper wire was not so generally fused, but incipient fusion (slightly in excess of 1900 degrees Fahr.) was noted in several places in the seventh, eighth and ninth stories and a fairly large stranded copper cable was melted by heat from the fire at several points in the rear of the eleventh story.
The highest temperature noted in any story (estimated at slightly in excess of 2000 degrees Fahr.) was in the N. W. corner of the eighth, where the cast iron frame of a typewriter was fused.

The temperatures rarely exceeded 1900 degrees, but were probably in excess of 1800 degrees for considerable periods in several stories.

This is from the Parker Building fire report: http://www.archive.org/details/effectoffirerepo00britrich


So we have areas of molten copper which requires at least 1083 C, a claim that the fires were rarely above 1038 C but above 982 C for 'considerable periods'.

And this is from a regular office fire in 1908. The combustible load of a building in 1908 would be well below that of 2001.

 

[papasmurf]

Steel is metal...

You lose wildcat.

 

[WildCat]

Steel is metal...

But metal is not necessarily steel, and you did claim molten steel, correct?

You lose wildcat.

How is that? Have you posted any evidence of molten steel yet? Of course you haven't.

 

[papasmurf]

It's in the article by steven jones.

The molten beams being pulled out that are still glowing are steel, because the beams were made of steel. Pretty solid evidence if you ask me.

He also gives reasons for why it wouldn't be aluminum.

 

[SDC]

This thread makes me wish I were a Stevens Tech grad, so I could cut it out of my will, or take back the millions I gave to build the gym, or wrote a snippy letter of protest to the alumni magazine. Or something equally effective.

Sheesh. How much lower can the Trutherians sink?

 

[papasmurf]

This thread makes me wish I were a Stevens Tech grad, so I could cut it out of my will, or take back the millions I gave to build the gym, or wrote a snippy letter of protest to the alumni magazine. Or something equally effective.

Sheesh. How much lower can the Trutherians sink?

Oh god, SDC is back. God help us.


I find it funny that no one denied that there was molten steel for a long time. People talked about it, it was mentioned on the news, by workers, there are photos of it.

All finally the implications of that molten steel being there are brought out, and all of a sudden that molten steel was never there.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

It's in the article by steven jones.

The molten beams being pulled out that are still glowing are steel, because the beams were made of steel. Pretty solid evidence if you ask me.

I hope you realize that molten means that the steel is in a liquefied state, and that a beam would not be very recognizable in such a state. Steel would glow red at the temperatures observed in the debris pile so the 'glow' is hardly strange.

 

[beachnut]

So is anyone going to explain the molten iron/steel or are you just going reach desperately for straws and try to insult me?

I'd welcome any solid theory that explains the pools of molten metal, but so far thermite is the only plausible explanation.

There is no thermite, and you have zero evidence of molten metal.

Jones made it up, he thinks people carried bags of thermite into the WTC and wired it for 9/11. He is pure nuts on this idea. He made it up.

You have no evidence. A piece of hot metal is not melted, it is hot. You can not pick up moten metal.

His cut columns were done after 9/11, makes him a liar.
The floors smashed together were done by gravity, not thermite; another lie by Jones.
His entire paper is a joke and now you present the motel metal, no photos and no evidence just hearsay. Do you understand hearsay? Jones is twisting peoples words to fool you.

You win everyone. Gravity wins.

Congratulations, I am gone now. I won't be back for a long time... perhaps never.

I think you have a problem with a few definitions. Molten, and a long time. A "long time" for you is a few days, "perhaps never", perhaps not.

I can't see your grades remaining above 3.0 for much longer based on your defense of stupid. After you gain some knowledge, you are going to be upset with Jones.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Oh god, SDC is back. God help us.
People talked about it, it was mentioned on the news, by workers, there are photos of it.

And how many can you verify were witnesses that could certifiably identify the metal they saw specifically as steel? Seeing that there is such an alternation between metal and steel should be very telling that many witnesses probably were not in metallurgy.