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Hilarious Steven Jones article

papasmurf said:
The molten steel is in the basement, many feet underground.
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What molten steel? Are you referring to your picture? If so, can you show your evidence that this was from the basement?

Once a massive amount of the steel is molten, it will remain molten for a very long period of time given the right conditions.
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If the heat in the pile was sufficient to maintain the temperature of the material, isn't it also capable of heating it to that temperature?

The volcano analogy given by Jones is excellent.
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Whatever that is.
 
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I can't believe he is actually using that picture as "proof" of his argument.

Brent Blanchard has already stated that there was no way to pick up any "molten steel" using the excavators because they would cease to function after 2000 degrees.

In short, what papasmurf suggests with that picture is physically impossible.
 
johnny karate said:
And my point is that in almost seven years, it seems that only Truthers such as yourself are interested in this "molten steel" phenomenon.

Why aren't there investigative journalists in Europe or perhaps Interpol agents that share your curiosity and suspicion?

Why isn't there anyone, anywhere on the entire planet, in some kind of official capacity that can confirm your beliefs?
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Because no one in any kind of investigative or law enforcement capacity has come forward to express those suspicions.

Remember, my original question asked why none had "discerned and/or revealed" the information.

If you're going to play the ridiculous "maybe they suspect, but are just keeping quiet about it" canard, it doesn't absolve you from explaining how such a phenomenon occurred on a global scale.
 
WildCat said:
If the heat in the pile was sufficient to maintain the temperature of the material, isn't it also capable of heating it to that temperature?
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Which means no thermite is required, correct?
 
Jones - false information expert, he has PhD in False Information.

papasmurf said:
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That in no way resembles anything that i said, thought, or otherwise implied. You are the epitome of why no one has made any progress on debunking the truth movement. Why so many more people join it everyday because they fail to find the answers, why so many find that the supporters of the official story are nothing but shills.
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Lies of Jones, that you believe and proven wrong since 9/11. Did you call someone "silly dumb confused". It is hard to believe people lack enough knowledge to fall for Jones' junk, it is clearly junk, what is wrong with you?

This is a lie, the cuts were made after 9/11. Please explain why Jones makes up lies?
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These floors were smashed together, no thermite, no molten steel, just more lies and false ideas by Jones. Please explain?
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You never explained why Jones keeps these lies in his paper. Why?
 
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beachnut said:
Lies of Jones, that you believe and proven wrong since 9/11. Did you call someone "silly dumb confused". It is hard to believe people lack enough knowledge to fall for Jones' junk, it is clearly junk, what is wrong with you?

This is a lie, the cuts were made after 9/11. Please explain why Jones makes up lies?
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/jonesfrau1.jpg[/qimg]

These floors were smashed together, no thermite, no molten steel, just more lies and false ideas by Jones. Please explain?
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You never explained why Jones keeps these lies in his paper. Why?
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I still don't have solid proof that those collumns were cut after the collapse. Would love to know the truth though, since i am part of the truth movement afterall.
 
papasmurf said:
Some of them did not completely become molten, so when they cooled, they were relatively intact, although warped and such.
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But they were in contact with what you claim to be molten steel. How, then, could those beams remain solid?
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
But they were in contact with what you claim to be molten steel. How, then, could those beams remain solid?
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Take a materials class, and you will understand.

Temperature can vary across a solid body.

Either you people are dumb or pretending to be dumb, but it is really said that you have to ask these sorts of questions.
 
papasmurf said:
I still don't have solid proof that those collumns were cut after the collapse. Would love to know the truth though, since i am part of the truth movement afterall.
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Sorry, it is solid proof, you just like fantasy better. But then you need to heed your own advice, or attack, or something! The pile of floors is a pile of floors no thermite, Jones lied. The cuts were after 9/11, it is a fact you can't find. Sad, Jones still lied. He uses stuff until you figure it out, then when all the dirt dumb members figure out it is bogus, he switches to something new. First he just had the one column, then he added the multiple columns. First he used just thermite, sometimes he has RDX or other explosives. He is a guy who moves the goal posts to fool you! A student engineer whose grades are inversely proportional to your understanding of 9/11. (I don't believe your grades, how can you be so…)

papasmurf said:
Either you people are dumb or pretending to be dumb, but it is really said ...
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And you believe Jones? Quite said… ?
Darn, you are like Jones. You can use his paper to debunk him. Just use his references, they will lead you to the real truth. Jones', false since September 2005.

It is quite said. Sad?
 
johnny karate said:
Because no one in any kind of investigative or law enforcement capacity has come forward to express those suspicions.

Remember, my original question asked why none had "discerned and/or revealed" the information.

If you're going to play the ridiculous "maybe they suspect, but are just keeping quiet about it" canard, it doesn't absolve you from explaining how such a phenomenon occurred on a global scale.
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Bump for papasmurf.
 
papasmurf said:
I still don't have solid proof that those collumns were cut after the collapse.
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You don't have any "solid proof" that they were cut before the collapse either, do you?

For which scenario - the implantation of hundreds of tonnes of silent explosives and the impossible use of thermite to cut columns diagonally (when it only functions vertically); or the collapse of the building due to fire and structural damage - is there more evidence for?

Honestly, I'd love to hear your answer to this.
 
papasmurf said:
Dave, anyone who tries to deny the presence of molten steel by whitewashing the evidence is a fraud and a liar.
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I agree absolutely, in the same way that anyone who tries - for example - to deny that an airliner hit the Pentagon by discrediting the testimony of over a hundred eyewitnesses is a fraud and a liar. However, in the former case there is no credible evidence to whitewash. There are anecdotal accounts that are based on the nonexistent ability to identify the chemical composition of molten metal by its appearance, there are arguments that claim molten iron/sulfur eutectic based on the logical fallacies of affirming the consequent and circular reasoning, and there are claims that are simply lies that have been repeatedly exposed. That's all. Therefore, I can be confident that you're not talking about me when you use the terms "a fraud and a liar".

Dave
 
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