Gardasil vaccine

robinson said:
There is something far stranger in that document than what you pointed out. Something so unbelievable I had to read it twice.

But considering the deaths and other serious events being reported in regards to Gardasil, it is starting to make sense.
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I find the numbers in your document strange. There should be way more than 10 deaths. There have probably been at least 3 million girls vaccinated in the US (as of June, 2007, 7 million doses had been distributed in the US). Taking into account the average death rate in that age range (11-26), there should be at least a thousand deaths among that 3 million. Even if you confine it to the 8 weeks after the vaccine, I'd still expect over a hundred.

Hmmm....maybe the vaccine is already saving lives.

Linda
 
robinson said:
There is something far stranger in that document than what you pointed out. Something so unbelievable I had to read it twice.

But considering the deaths and other serious events being reported in regards to Gardasil, it is starting to make sense.
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Those figures in the VAER seem to be derived from 5 placebo controlled studies (see page 379 of the document). There were 11778 subjects on Gardasil and 9680 on placebo. Deaths reported were 10 in the Gardasil arm (0.08%) and 7 on placebo (0.07%).

Of the 10 deaths in the Gardasil group, 4 died of trauma, presumably by accident. Three died of sepsis/cancer between about one and two years after the third dose. One died of deep vein thrombosis but had complained of leg pain prior to the injection. One died of arrythmia but came from a family with a history of the complaint.
 
Acleron said:
Those figures in the VAER seem to be derived from 5 placebo controlled studies (see page 379 of the document). There were 11778 subjects on Gardasil and 9680 on placebo. Deaths reported were 10 in the Gardasil arm (0.08%) and 7 on placebo (0.07%).
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I think you're right. I assumed that little table had been extracted from the VAERS data, but I just went and did a search and found only 6 reported deaths through VAERS.

Linda
 
fls said:
I find the numbers in your document strange. There should be way more than 10 deaths.
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It is not my document, it is from VAERS. There are probably more deaths, but remember, is is thought adverse events are under reported, by a factor of 10. So you may be correct.

fls said:
There have probably been at least 3 million girls vaccinated in the US (as of June, 2007, 7 million doses had been distributed in the US).
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Really? Sweet. That is 2.8 billion profit right there. Don't you love America?

fls said:
Taking into account the average death rate in that age range (11-26), there should be at least a thousand deaths among that 3 million. Even if you confine it to the 8 weeks after the vaccine, I'd still expect over a hundred.
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It is strange, isn't it?
 
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Acleron said:
Those figures in the VAER seem to be derived from 5 placebo controlled studies (see page 379 of the document).
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Why do you say that? That makes little sense. Look at the dates.


Acleron said:
Of the 10 deaths in the Gardasil group, 4 died of trauma, presumably by accident. Three died of sepsis/cancer between about one and two years after the third dose. One died of deep vein thrombosis but had complained of leg pain prior to the injection. One died of arrythmia but came from a family with a history of the complaint.
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None of the deaths in the trials were associated with the vaccine.
 
fls said:
I think you're right. I assumed that little table had been extracted from the VAERS data, but I just went and did a search and found only 6 reported deaths through VAERS.
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Really? Can you show us?
 
But none of that is what I noticed. It is so strange, so unusual, it is right in front of us, and we can't see it. The mental blindness I mentioned somewhere, this is an example of it.

I ran it by a skeptical friend (who does not read forums), and he didn't believe me. And then he asked several questions, which I have no answer for yet. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe somebody here can rationalize it for me.
 
robinson said:
But none of that is what I noticed. It is so strange, so unusual, it is right in front of us, and we can't see it. The mental blindness I mentioned somewhere, this is an example of it.

I ran it by a skeptical friend (who does not read forums), and he didn't believe me. And then he asked several questions, which I have no answer for yet. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe somebody here can rationalize it for me.
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Only if you quit f'ing around and tell us where and what you found "so strange, so unusual".;)
 
robinson said:
Why do you say that? That makes little sense. Look at the dates.
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Curious. I couldn't find the VAER in the report but assumed that was because it was an image. Now I've looked at the dates as you suggest and am amazed that a VAER dated 10-May-2007 can appear in a report dated 8-Jun-2006. Can I take it that the VAER you posted was not the unbelievable something you read twice in the report?
 
fls said:
I also did a search at the National Vaccine Information Center and found 12 (although some could be duplicates).

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?PAGENO=1&PERPAGE=10&SORTING=NONE&VAX=HPV4&DIED=Yes

Linda
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Reading through the cases, 1 death is possibly/probably due to the vaccine - an anaphylactic reaction 3 days (an unusually long time interval) after the vaccination. 1 death is unknown - the girl died in her sleep and more information is requested. 2 of the deaths from thrombosis could reasonably be due to the vaccine, if it is discovered that it increases the risk of thrombosis. However, there isn't anything to suggest that would be the case otherwise, and the girls may have been on OC's. The rest of the deaths were not due to the vaccine.

Linda
 
robinson said:
Yep, or, as in this case, the hydrated aluminum potassium sulfate, which, based on the evidence, is almost as bad as the virus in the vaccine. When it comes to side effects and risks.
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What is harmful about aluminium potassium sulfate?
 
Blue Wode said:
Thanks for your replies everyone, although I’d still like to know why it can’t be determined what the two girls mentioned in the OP died from.
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Real life isn't like CSI. Sometimes they can't determine the cause of death.
 
Acleron said:
Can I take it that the VAER you posted was not the unbelievable something you read twice in the report?
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Yes, and it is VAERS, not VEAR. That is a different subject. I'm talking about the trials.

Ivor the Engineer said:
Only if you quit f'ing around and tell us where and what you found "so strange, so unusual".;)
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I'm not saying anything yet, because of three reasons.

One, I'm still digging, looking for more information. An explanation.

Two, I really want some other interested skeptic here to see it without being told it is there.

Three, some dumb person is going to accuse me of attention whoring, trolling, or some other nasty little personal slam, which is dumb.

If I wanted attention and reactions (trolling), I would start a big fat topic with a provocative title, rather than hiding it down topic here.
 
godless dave said:
Real life isn't like CSI. Sometimes they can't determine the cause of death.
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Oh nonsense. One thing that is certain, when a young person dies, suddenly, they certainly can determine a cause of death.

"Unknown" on a coroners report, when it is a sudden death, sets off all kinds of alarm bells. It can even become a CSI matter then. Or a CDC matter.

We just don't have all the information. And it is terribly difficult to get it. Maybe one of the Doctors here can get it, but I sure can't.
 
robinson said:
Oh nonsense. One thing that is certain, when a young person dies, suddenly, they certainly can determine a cause of death.
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You know that silvery stuff that covers up the numbers on scratch-and-win lottery tickets? One of my colleagues wished that that was the way it would work with patients. They'd all come in with a little silvery patch over their left breast. Then, after you took a history/physical and did a work-up to come up with a diagnosis/diagnoses, you could scratch off the silver stuff and see if you got it right. Now that you mention it, that would work great for deaths, too. We should get on that.

Linda
 
robinson said:
We just don't have all the information. And it is terribly difficult to get it. Maybe one of the Doctors here can get it, but I sure can't.
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Well, duh. What fun is there in having a conspiracy if we let just anyone in on it.

Linda
 
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