Gardasil vaccine

I'm going to ignore the trolling, and stick with facts. I don't know why some people confuse opinions with facts. But that is another topic.

In regards to aluminum hydroxide, or amorphous aluminum hydroxide sulfate, immunologic adjuvants, they have been thought to be GRAS, however scientific research shows they are not as safe as once believed.

Behavioral testing showed motor deficits in the aluminum treatment group that expressed as a progressive decrease in strength measured by the wire-mesh hang test (final deficit at 24 wk; about 50%). Significant cognitive deficits in water-maze learning were observed in the combined aluminum and squalene group (4.3 errors per trial) compared with the controls (0.2 errors per trial) after 20 wk. Apoptotic neurons were identified in aluminum-injected animals that showed significantly increased activated caspase-3 labeling in lumbar spinal cord (255%) and primary motor cortex (192%) compared with the controls. Aluminum-treated groups also showed significant motor neuron loss (35%) and increased numbers of astrocytes (350%) in the lumbar spinal cord. The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826

That is the tip of an iceberg.

How does this relate to the Gardasil vaccine? I don't know why, but Doctors are already combining other vaccines with Gardasil, something the VAERS reports show.
It is also obvious from reading the documentation
http://www.fda.gov/cber/review/hpvmer060806r.pdf
that there is a major screw up going on.

Which leads us to the metal blind spot issue. I'm tempted to point it out, but then everybody will see it, and rather than doing any research, the dumb will start rationalizing, or explaining how it isn't really a screw up, or something. Or some idiot will try and replace scientific debate with slurs, insults and dumb commentary, which I find annoying.

I know there might be, oh, 12 people reading this topic. Can anybody see the problem here? With the Gardasil studies?

Forget the dead kids, which nobody can prove has anything to do with the vaccine. Look at the original research on the vaccine. Can you see it?

It took me hours to see it. Now I can't stop thinking about it. Damn it.
 
robinson said:
In regards to aluminum hydroxide, or amorphous aluminum hydroxide sulfate, immunologic adjuvants, they have been thought to be GRAS, however scientific research shows they are not as safe as once believed.
Behavioral testing showed motor deficits in the aluminum treatment group that expressed as a progressive decrease in strength measured by the wire-mesh hang test (final deficit at 24 wk; about 50%). Significant cognitive deficits in water-maze learning were observed in the combined aluminum and squalene group (4.3 errors per trial) compared with the controls (0.2 errors per trial) after 20 wk. Apoptotic neurons were identified in aluminum-injected animals that showed significantly increased activated caspase-3 labeling in lumbar spinal cord (255%) and primary motor cortex (192%) compared with the controls. Aluminum-treated groups also showed significant motor neuron loss (35%) and increased numbers of astrocytes (350%) in the lumbar spinal cord. The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826
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Here is the full paper.

The results of the behavioral tests are not quite so dramatic as the above quote makes out.

The wire hang tests do not show a progressive drop to 24 wks for the aluminium group but rather a drop to about 50% between 5 and 10 weeks. The interesting point, not discussed by the authors, is that the aluminium+squalene group shows no such drop. Is the squalene protective?

The water maze experiments are very peculiar. The authors quote that the aluminum+squalene group (not the aluminium group) show significant loss of cognitive ability after 20 weeks with 4.3 errors/trial as against 0.2 errors/trial for the control. This is not strictly true, all they obtained was a single significantly different result at 25 weeks. They neglect to mention that the control group had an error rate of about 6/trial after one week in the trial, or that the aluminium+squalene group had an error rate of about 1/trial at the previous test time. The aluminium group showed no significant difference.

While interesting, the results are not conclusive. Three major flaws of the study WRT to the discussion here are 1) It wasn't blinded 2) The injections were not intramuscular and 3) The use of aluminium hydroxide suspension (Alhydrogel) and not potassium aluminium sulphate solution.
 
robinson said:
It is also obvious from reading the documentation
http://www.fda.gov/cber/review/hpvmer060806r.pdf
that there is a major screw up going on.

Which leads us to the metal blind spot issue. I'm tempted to point it out, but then everybody will see it, and rather than doing any research, the dumb will start rationalizing, or explaining how it isn't really a screw up, or something. Or some idiot will try and replace scientific debate with slurs, insults and dumb commentary, which I find annoying.

I know there might be, oh, 12 people reading this topic. Can anybody see the problem here? With the Gardasil studies?

Forget the dead kids, which nobody can prove has anything to do with the vaccine. Look at the original research on the vaccine. Can you see it?

It took me hours to see it. Now I can't stop thinking about it. Damn it.
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I'm poised on the edge of my seat, waiting. Please put me out of my misery (not enough padding). :)

I'm happy to concede that I am both blind and dumb (and stupid, in case you were equivocating (although, it wouldn't make any sense if you were)) because I cannot see what you see.

Linda
 
Don't feel bad, I didn't see it either, for quite a while. And I'm sure within minutes of pointing it out, somebody will say "Oh that. That can be explained by ...(insert rationalization here)". That isn't important.

Which is what makes it so damn funny. I'm trying to finish a project the next two days, so I don't have time right now. I also found a bunch of related research, but rather than do a halfass job of it, I'm waiting to package it all up in an easy to digest bundle of EBS.

It would also be cool if somebody else would notice and do all the work for me. That would be great.
 
For those who remember, and were annoyed by, the HIV thread where I used Cuba as a reason to be convinced beyond all doubt that HIV was directly related to AIDS, yes, it is sort of like that.

I would apologize for the tension, the awful waiting, but I really DGAS, so I won't.
 
If kids were killed by the vaccine the evidence would be hugely apparent. I just love the fact that the lack of evidence leaves people like Robinson still in search of the "hidden evidence". You still trolling the paranoia Robinson? I'm so dissapointed :(

Ha ha, I looked at Robinson's linky. He is a layman, and I guess understandably has no clue how to interpret real studies. Here's the bit about "deaths" from page 13:

Deaths:
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]In comparative studies, there were 10 deaths among subjects who received Gardasil (0.08%) and 7 (0.07%) among subjects who received placebo. The most common cause of death was motor vehicle accident (4 Gardasil, 3 placebo), followed by suicide/overdose (1 Gardasil, 2 placebo), and pulmonary embolism/DVT (1 Gardasil and 1 placebo). In addition, in the Gardasil group, there were 2 cases of sepsis [1 subject at 395 days following dose 3 and 1 subject at 625 days postdose 3], 1 case of pancreatic cancer (578 days following dose 3), and 1 case of arrhythmia (27 days postdose 1 in a young male with a family history of arrhythmia). In the placebo group, there was 1 case of asphyxia. There was no apparent pattern identified among these events. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Additionally, in Study 005, there was one death in each of the treatment groups: in the HPV 16 vaccine group, there was death in a plane crash 3 years following dose 3 and in the placebo group, there was one suicide 2 years following dose 3. [/FONT]​
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In studies they put in EVERYTHING, and see if the non-placebo is statistically significantly different when compared to the placebo group. Then you compare the rates to normal rates in populations. That is why you have controls (placebo groups) in studies... to see if anything really changes.​

As you can see, there weren't any variables that stand out as caused by the vaccine... and in the study conclusions and review they don't attribute any deaths to gardasil because there weren't any variables that COULD be attributed to the vaccine. There weren't more cancer cases or plane crashes than you would find in a normal population of people, so you can't say the vaccine caused those causes of death to increase, and therefore you CAN'T BLAME THE VACCINE FOR THEM.​

Go ahead, just try to blame the vaccine for the auto and plane deaths, but you're just gonna look crazy.​

I'm gonna say it again, I'm very dissapointed in Robinson right now. *shakes head*

*blinks*

I can't believe what you've done to yourself in this thread. :(​
 
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robinson said:
Don't feel bad, I didn't see it either, for quite a while. And I'm sure within minutes of pointing it out, somebody will say "Oh that. That can be explained by ...(insert rationalization here)". That isn't important.
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Yeah, I expect that will be the explanation. And we established a long time ago that I have the kind of blindness and dumbness that you keep referring to, so if I ever felt bad about it, I've had plenty of time to get over it.

Which is what makes it so damn funny. I'm trying to finish a project the next two days, so I don't have time right now. I also found a bunch of related research, but rather than do a halfass job of it, I'm waiting to package it all up in an easy to digest bundle of EBS.

It would also be cool if somebody else would notice and do all the work for me. That would be great.
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Doubtful. I'm afraid that once you go black, you never go back.

Linda
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Go ahead, just try to blame the vaccine for the auto and plane deaths, but you're just gonna look crazy.
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Easy peasy. The mercury (not necessary for mercury to be present to use this excuse, but if you want to quibble about it there are plenty of other TOXINS to choose from) in the vaccine impaired mental function leading to poor driving and a car accident. The plane crash? Having the vaccine led to promiscuity which led to an affair. She wouldn't have been in the plane crash if she wasn't on her way to meet up with her (married) lover in a foreign city. You're just an apologist if you can't see what's in front of your face.

Linda
 
What's EBS?

Electronic Braking System?

Epidermolysis Bullosa Simplex?

ETA: Extremely Biased Studies?
 
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If they were biased they wouldn't use the controls and put in all the variables that antivaccination paranoiacs get so slaver-faced over in their ignorance of how to conduct unbiased and properly controlled studies that include every variable under the sun.

EBS: Evidenced Based Science/Studies as opposed to the usual sCAM erroneous and biased studies.
 
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fls said:
Easy peasy. The mercury (not necessary for mercury to be present to use this excuse, but if you want to quibble about it there are plenty of other TOXINS to choose from) in the vaccine impaired mental function leading to poor driving and a car accident. The plane crash? Having the vaccine led to promiscuity which led to an affair. She wouldn't have been in the plane crash if she wasn't on her way to meet up with her (married) lover in a foreign city. You're just an apologist if you can't see what's in front of your face.

Linda
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Yes, yes, I know. It is then worth it to note that the control group that didn't get the vaccine had more suicides and fatal self-inflicted overdoses though. I guess the body instinctively knows you're gonna die of cancer anyway, so it subconsciously programs your brain to think you might as well off yourself with various toxic substances to spare the body of that particular doom.

It is fun to spar with paranoid stretching/reaching and straw piles every once in a while, bwa ha.

You know what is hugely ironic? Antivaccinators that are soooo paranoid of any toxin under the sun, even those we eat in food every day because it occurred naturally in soil before any human ever walked the earth, that smoke and take in the worst toxic substances that aren't found naturally in food everyday and destroy their lungs with a horrible addiction. Yet it's worse to protect children from preventable damage by diseases? Yep. I know several personally that think that way. Hilarious, sad, wacky.
 
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I'm so glad Eos showed up. Her rantings are going to be the icing on the cake. It is a thing of beauty. No really, it is just perfect.
 
robinson said:
Don't feel bad, I didn't see it either, for quite a while. And I'm sure within minutes of pointing it out, somebody will say "Oh that. That can be explained by ...(insert rationalization here)". That isn't important.
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Is this a realisation that your fevered imaginings actually amount to nothing when put under the microscope of objective scientific scrutiny? Perhaps there is hope for you after all.....

It would also be cool if somebody else would notice and do all the work for me. That would be great.
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I spoke too soon. Some things never change.
 
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The House Republican leader has blocked, if temporarily, a bill that would require middle school girls to be immunized against a virus that causes cervical cancer.
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http://www.kentucky.com/454/story/323426.html

Merck’s human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil is seeing physician skepticism regarding its wide-scale use, as doubts of long-term safety and efficacy linger, Pharmawire has found. Recent reports have linked deaths and rare serious adverse events to the vaccine, doctors said.

Since Gardasil’s approval last year, there have been reports which have cited 11 deaths and adverse events which range from Guillan-Barre syndrome, Bells Palsy, seizures and fainting. The vaccine has also been linked to blood clotting and heart problems.

Also, out of 42 pregnant women who received the vaccine, 18 had complications that ranged from fetal abnormalities to miscarriages.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/728046c4-...uid=e8477cc4-c820-11db-b0dc-000b5df10621.html

Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- CSL Ltd. reported a 36 percent jump in first-half profit, beating analyst estimates, on sales and royalties from the world's first cervical cancer vaccine, sending its shares up the most in a year.

Royalties from the Gardasil vaccine, licensed to Merck & Co., almost quadrupled in the six months ended Dec. 31, CSL said in a statement today. The Melbourne-based company sold A$143 million of the vaccine in Australia, where it's available free for girls and women aged 12 to 26 under a subsidized health program.

CSL Managing Director Brian McNamee said results of further studies on the vaccine may be released later this year, helping Gardasil win regulatory approval for immunizing boys aged 9 to 26 and women through 45. The shots prevent infection from the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus virus, or HPV, which can also cause head and neck tumors in both sexes.

``Extending the use of Gardasil to a greater number of people might sustain the revenue stream for a few more years until they can then come out with another product,'' said Angus Gluskie
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Robinson,

It's been 3 days and you've been posting in other threads...

And Eos can't rant if you don't say anything...

Linda
 
Very slowly, and with little enthusiasm, but I didn't forget. I also really, really DGAS, though this is based on real life, and nothing to do with anyone reading here.
 
robinson said:
Very slowly, and with little enthusiasm, but I didn't forget. I also really, really DGAS, though this is based on real life, and nothing to do with anyone reading here.
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What's "DGAS"?

Linda
 
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