Gardasil vaccine

Sudden Adult/Arrhythmia Death Syndrome (SADS) is recorded under ICD code 798.1 (instantaneous death, cause unknown) as no cause of death is found at post mortem.
 
fls said:
Reading through the cases, 1 death is possibly/probably due to the vaccine - an anaphylactic reaction 3 days (an unusually long time interval) after the vaccination. 1 death is unknown - the girl died in her sleep and more information is requested.
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I love how all the deaths say stuff like that, and then you look at the dates and it was ten months ago, and there is no more information.
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Acleron said:
What is harmful about aluminium potassium sulfate?
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Good question. And one you might think could be answered in great detail, supported by vast amounts of research and careful science. Guess what?

It's considered safe. So, if you want to know what it does, in regards to this topic, inject yourself with 1.5 grams of it, in a muscle. Let us know what happens.

JoeEllison said:
It might make you poop... a lot.
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Maybe, if you ate a lot of antacids, or baking powder. But we are talking about injecting it into muscle tissue. Give it a shot! (pun intended)

It's safe, so there shouldn't be any problems.

FYI: I am kidding, do NOT start injecting yourself with anything based on some Internet forum, and certainly don't inject yourself with anything containing aluminum, without consulting a Doctor first.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Sudden Adult/Arrhythmia Death Syndrome (SADS) is recorded under ICD code 798.1 (instantaneous death, cause unknown) as no cause of death is found at post mortem.
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I love it! So the only thing we know, is the heart stopped beating. That is the cause of death. We don't know why, because we know so little about hearts, and why the just stop sometimes.

A mystery.
 
robinson said:
{snip} [Aluminum potassium sulfate (APS) is] considered safe. So, if you want to know what it does, in regards to this topic, inject yourself with 1.5 grams of it, in a muscle. Let us know what happens. {snip}
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It would require injecting 30 mL of APS in the most concentrated (saturated) aqueous solution to provide 1.5 g. That would be one whale of an IM injection. This exemplifies "only knowing enough chemistry to be dangerous."
 
You might find the following link interesting. It contains details of tests (ECG and genetic) which can reveal the presence of arhythmia disorders which can cause these types of sudden deaths.

http://www.sads.org.uk/

But I'll stop derailing now.
 
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robinson said:
Maybe, if you ate a lot of antacids, or baking powder. But we are talking about injecting it into muscle tissue. Give it a shot! (pun intended)

It's safe, so there shouldn't be any problems.
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In the concentration identical to the one in the Gardasil shot? No problem.
 
More concerns. The author of this article in today’s Calgary Herald says that she’s “not convinced that we know enough about the long-term effects of Gardasil to allow governments to make guinea pigs out of our children”:

Canada appears poised for the mass inoculation of an entire generation of young girls (aged 9-13)…

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But before we undertake this massive endeavour, the public discussion needs to go beyond the declaration that Gardasil prevents cancer.

Clinical trials studied 20,000 women (aged nine to 26). But only 1,200 of those were in the age group of nine to 15, and the youngest participants were only followed for 18 months. It defies common sense, but that means there isn't much data on how the vaccine affects the very age group that is now being inoculated.

Another unknown is how long the vaccine will last. It could last up to five years, but that will vary significantly with individuals. So, in about four years or so, there may be a lot of sexually-active teenagers who may be vulnerable to HPV -- while thinking they are protected. They just don't know. A booster shot is possible, but it's never been tried or studied.

There are other reasons to question the adequacy of Gardasil's five-year study. It claims a success rate of 70 per cent in preventing cervical cancer and nearly 100 per cent in preventing precancerous lesions. But the average time for cancerous lesions to develop is eight to nine years. In fact, it can take decades for lesions to develop into an invasive cancer.

So, how can a five-year trial claim to be 100 per cent effective in preventing a cancer that takes more years to develop?

More (2 pages):
http://www.canada.com:80/calgaryher....html?id=8ded3427-002c-4849-b5fc-b7b84cc50142
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What should parents of girls in the 9-13 age group make of all of this? Is it misinformation?
 
robinson said:
Yes, and it is VAERS, not VEAR. That is a different subject. I'm talking about the trials.



I'm not saying anything yet, because of three reasons.

One, I'm still digging, looking for more information. An explanation.

Two, I really want some other interested skeptic here to see it without being told it is there.

Three, some dumb person is going to accuse me of attention whoring, trolling, or some other nasty little personal slam, which is dumb.

If I wanted attention and reactions (trolling), I would start a big fat topic with a provocative title, rather than hiding it down topic here.
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Considering your whole bit in the migraines thread where you were treated by what you thought was quackery, but turned out to be evidence-based but won't tell anyone because we'll think it's quackery?

I'm leaning towards you being full of ****.
 
JJM said:
It would require injecting 30 mL of APS in the most concentrated (saturated) aqueous solution to provide 1.5 g. That would be one whale of an IM injection. This exemplifies "only knowing enough chemistry to be dangerous."
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I was sure it would be viewed as humor. But just in case, I did mention not to listen to Internet forums when it comes to injecting yourself with stuff.

BenBurch said:
In a study of that size, that is no difference at all.
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You might think so. Which brings up an interesting point.

BenBurch said:
Absolutely. Give me that much Sodium Bicarbonate every day by IV and I'd never even notice it. I would get cranky about you poking me every day, though.
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I know you are joking, but just in case, Bicarbonate of Soda is not what we are discussing.

Blue Wode said:
More concerns. The author of this article in today’s Calgary Herald says that she’s “not convinced that we know enough about the long-term effects of Gardasil to allow governments to make guinea pigs out of our children”:
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Typical antivaxxer woo. Next they will be calling for more studies, more time, more science to be done. Don't you understand stockholders are counting on that 300 billion profit in the next five years?

If you start insisting on knowing everything before injecting your kid, they might die! You are killing them!

Blue Wode said:
What should parents of girls in the 9-13 age group make of all of this? Is it misinformation?
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Good question. Strange that I am the only one responding.
 
Since this is a sexually acquired disease, and even if you get it, and you get cancer, it won't kill you, any risk from a vaccine might be viewed as a bad bet.

Why take a chance with your 11 year old now? Wait and see if any more kids die, what the long term side effects are, if it really prevents cancers.

No wait, don't think like that. I need that quarterly dividend check. Go get the vaccine now.
 
robinson said:
Good question. And one you might think could be answered in great detail, supported by vast amounts of research and careful science. Guess what?

It's considered safe. So, if you want to know what it does, in regards to this topic, inject yourself with 1.5 grams of it, in a muscle. Let us know what happens.
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I wasn't trying to guess, after looking up the toxicity of aluminium potassium sulfate and finding several references that said it was non-toxic, I thought you might have have other information, I guess you don't.
 
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Actually, I do have information about it. So do you if you followed the links here. It isn't even a secret.
 
I wrote: It would require injecting 30 mL of APS in the most concentrated (saturated) aqueous solution to provide 1.5 g. That would be one whale of an IM injection. This exemplifies "only knowing enough chemistry to be dangerous."
robinson said:
I was sure it would be viewed as humor. {snip}
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Ha ha ha ha ha ... whew boy. ... Catch my breath. If you understood this topic, you would not have found that "humorous." Did you read the Science-based Medicine blog entry I cited?
 
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/fi...&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=10&SORTING=NONE

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How long do you think we should wait to get the rest of the story?
 
robinson said:
Of course. What is your point?
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(Concerning the Science-based Medicine entry), did you learn that poorly-informed people (such as yourself) cannot understand "ingredient lists?"

robinson said:
Did you read what blue wode wrote? And the article linked?

Care to respond?
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No. ("A man has to know his limitations." Clint Eastwood, I forget the movie.)
 
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