New Pentagon composite photo

I kind of wonder about the people who described the smell as resembling "cordite." There are three possibilities in this case.

1. They know less about guns and ammunition than they think they do, think that "cordite" sounds more scientific and sophisticated than "gunpowder" and is just as accurate

2. They smelled burning insulation and plastic mixed with burning jet fuel and have fired an Enfield at some time in their lives and noticed the similarity

3. They are totally whacked out to begin with and went into a panic over a strange smell they couldn't identify, and heard someone mention cordite, and from there built it into a legendary super-sekrit hushaboom propellant that could tear down any wall ever built.
 
leftysergeant said:
I kind of wonder about the people who described the smell as resembling "cordite." There are three possibilities in this case.

1. They know less about guns and ammunition than they think they do, think that "cordite" sounds more scientific and sophisticated than "gunpowder" and is just as accurate

2. They smelled burning insulation and plastic mixed with burning jet fuel and have fired an Enfield at some time in their lives and noticed the similarity

3. They are totally whacked out to begin with and went into a panic over a strange smell they couldn't identify, and heard someone mention cordite, and from there built it into a legendary super-sekrit hushaboom propellant that could tear down any wall ever built.
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I 100% with your assessment.

I can tell you it smelled NOTHING like "cordite" or "gunpowder"; JPL fires have a very unique smell to them...once you know what it smells like, you'd NEVER confuse it with anything else.
 
I think there are very, very few human beings alive today who have ever smelled cordite.

Only the UK were heavy users of it, and production ceased entirely in the 90s when the last legacy weapons systems (rockets as I recall) were replaced.
 
I remember an old post in another forum in which Don Perkal was contacted and he clarified that he was merely guessing about the smell, having no expertise in explosives. Maybe Perkal could be emailed again to confirm his statement, if his email address could be found.
 
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Mangoose said:
I remember an old post in another forum in which Don Perkal was contacted and he clarified that he was merely guessing about the smell, having no expertise in explosives. Maybe Perkal could be emailed again to confirm his statement, if his email address could be found.
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Who is Don Perkal?
 
Locknar said:
Who is Don Perkal?
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He's an attorney who claims to have smelled cordite- although there's nothing in his history that would indicate he would know what that smell is.

He also said that a plane crashed into the Pentagon, and there was an explosion of jet fuel...
 
That any could even imagine for a second that a Boeing 757, with its 125' wingspan and two 6' diameter 3-ton engines did what is seen, with its "fuselage" penetrating through three rings of the Pentagon, leaving no trace of seat rails, titanium landing gear or human remains, would be laughably "The Emperor's New Clothes," were it not treason in conjunction with the deaths of 3,000 innocents and a false war for heroin, oil, and Bush-handholding Saudis...besides the fact that numerous Congressmen and Senators appeared on Larry King the evening of 9-11 and shared their public witness of the passenger jet which swept up over Capitol Hill just after the explosion at the Pentagon...with maps of the co-linear Columbia Pike/Pentagon/Capitol Hill flight path in the next day's newspapers.

This site is for discussion by Skeptics not for the manipulative dissimulation and indirection of conformist sops and treason's tools.
 
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iAmerican said:
That any could even imagine for a second that a Boeing 757, with its 125' wingspan and two 6' diameter 3-ton engines did what is seen, with its fuselage penetrating through three rings of the Pentagon, leaving no trace of seat rails, titanium landing gear or human remains, would be laughably "The Emperor's New Clothes," were it not treason in conjunction with the deaths of 3,000 innocents and a false war for heroin, oil, and Bush-handholding Saudis...besides the fact that numerous Congressmen and Senators appeared on Larry King the evening of 9-11 and shared their public witness of the passenger jet which swept up over Capitol Hill just after the explosion at the Pentagon...with maps of the co-linear Columbia Pike/Pentagon/Capitol Hill flight path in the next day's newspapers.

This site is for discussion by Skeptics not for the manipulative dissimulation and indirection of conformist sops and treason's tools.
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77 did hit and killed fellow service people on 9/11; Unless you have something more than a rant of lies please present some facts.

You did not get one thing right but the aircraft type. Why are you so wrong?
 
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Totovader said:
He's an attorney who claims to have smelled cordite- although there's nothing in his history that would indicate he would know what that smell is.

He also said that a plane crashed into the Pentagon, and there was an explosion of jet fuel...
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Does he claim to have been there, in the building during the attack...and if so where? An attorney for whom?
 
iAmerican said:
That any could even imagine for a second that a Boeing 757, with its 125' wingspan and two 6' diameter 3-ton engines did what is seen, with its fuselage penetrating through three rings of the Pentagon, leaving no trace of seat rails, titanium landing gear or human remains, would be laughably "The Emperor's New Clothes," were it not treason in conjunction with the deaths of 3,000 innocents and a false war for heroin, oil, and Bush-handholding Saudis...besides the fact that numerous Congressmen and Senators appeared on Larry King the evening of 9-11 and shared their public witness of the passenger jet which swept up over Capitol Hill just after the explosion at the Pentagon...with maps of the co-linear Columbia Pike/Pentagon/Capitol Hill flight path in the next day's newspapers.

This site is for discussion by Skeptics not for the manipulative dissimulation and indirection of conformist sops and treason's tools.
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There was much debris and many human remains.

http://emptv.com/research/loose-change-2#flight-77-wreckage

http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

There were also many witnesses who assisted in gathering the human remains. People who try to argue that the event did not happen do so in contradiction to reality.

And usually they declaim "ad hom" or "non sequitur" to disguise the bankrupcy of their claims, but I digress...

It helps to know what really happened before trying to argue points about the event. People are allowed their own opinions, but not their own facts, and the facts contradict the quoted statement above. A Boeing 757 did indeed hit the Pentagon, and contrary to the quoted statement, did indeed leave much identifiable debris and human remains. That is indisputable.
 
iAmerican said:
This site is for discussion by Skeptics not for the manipulative dissimulation and indirection of conformist sops and treason's tools.
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Treason's tools? What, like a treason hammer, combination wrench, socket set? Treason screwdriver?
Do they come in matched sets from Craftsman? Can I get some from the Sears catalog? Do they have the warranty if I break one?
 
Mangoose said:
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html
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Thanks for the link; there are some aspects of his story that are accurate...there are many that I question such as:

- His office would have been, from his accounting, least 100ft and one wedge further away then mine was, and at least 2 floors lower (since he mentions the concourse being “up stairs”). From his account, he felt more then I did, which is not possible (ie. folks lower and further felt less then those closeer and higher). Further, I had folks where he claims to have been...they felt nothing at all.

I also find it odd in the beginning of the story he mentions “cordite”, then later mentions “explosion of jet fuel.”
 
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LashL said:
Sadly, that's the truth™ movement in a nutshell being demonstrated right there.

Too lazy to read, too inept to learn, and too frigging stupid to realize how lazy, inept and stupid they are. Very sad, really.
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Originally Posted by Tweeter
Sorry Gravy.... to long didnt read.


Plus their spelling and grammar sucks!
 
might want to retry that second link. Looks like you need to put the rest of the URL in there instead of the ellipses. What should I take note of in these pictures once you get them both correctly posted?
 
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Tweeter said:
Yes,Bullwinkle, it is I.


http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2...109114a_hr.jpg

That second link just worked for me a second ago.
*cue woo music
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In My Spare Time said:
might want to retry that second link. Looks like you need to put the rest of the URL in there instead of the ellipses. What should I take note of in these pictures once you get them both correctly posted?
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Fixed link:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/200109114a_hr.jpg

I'm not expecting anything coherent from Tweeter though...

ETA: Here is the news story that the defenselink photo is from:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44912
 
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Locknar said:
Thanks for the link; there are some aspects of his story that are accurate...there are many that I question such as:

- His office would have been, from his accounting, least 100ft and one wedge further away then mine was, and at least 2 floors lower (since he mentions the concourse being “up stairs”). From his account, he felt more then I did, which is not possible (ie. folks lower and further felt less then those closeer and higher). Further, I had folks where he claims to have been...they felt nothing at all.

I also find it odd in the beginning of the story he mentions “cordite”, then later mentions “explosion of jet fuel.”
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BTW...he mentions walking out of the Pentagon, seeing the smoke/flames to his right.

While it is possible he would have gone out the South Parking exit (the smoke would have been to his right, though no flames would have been visable).

It is more likely, as they were closer exists to his location, he would have left via the Concourse (the smoke would have been behind him to the right, no flames would have been visable) or North Parking (the smoke would have been behind him, no flames would have been visable).

I wrote to the address in the article, we'll see what he says. At best, he was there and has embellished his story just a tad (being kind); at worst he is a fraud.
 
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