Brand New CT sub-group: No-Sounders

[defaultdotxbe]

How do you know if it's the sound of an explosion or the sound of the top floors coming down?

maybe its the sound of the top floors coming down and thats all there is

 

[LastChild]

Don't worry I, for one, never thought you grew any testicles to allow you to take a stand. I suspect you've been following the problem Red's encountered when he finally did and don't want to experience the same humiliation.

Keep Just Asking Questions son.

Sure. I really seem like I'm worried about the likes of you humiliating me. As if that could ever happen. And Red does fine as far as I can tell. But then again I’m not married to a pre-determined conclusion like most here.

 

[LastChild]

maybe its the sound of the top floors coming down and thats all there is

maybe? you mean you don't know for sure?

 

[apathoid]

Really? And do they blow them 70 stories up first in the middle of a core that I believe was what... an acre in size? Are there helicopters flying over head and sirens going off and people screaming?

70 stories is 700 ft, or about an 1/8th of a mile. You don't think charges powerful enough to sever massive core columns can be heard an 1/8 of a mile away?

When the initiation started how do you know what happened first? How do you know if it's the sound of an explosion or the sound of the top floors coming down?

Because the speed of sound is fairly constant and I understand the cause/effect relationship.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Right, I'll leave this thread with the knowledge LastChild believes a building can collapse from controlled demolition, by the very bombs used to do this going off after collapse initiation. Collapse initiation which was caused by these bombs. Even though they went off after.

Happy, drunken near year all.

 

[LastChild]

Why wouldn't it work? The sound would be there on the tape.

As far as proving what it was you would need to link it to visual clues and convince other audio engineers of its authenticity. You know, research. Give it a go. what do you have to lose but time. You could find the "smoking gun".

The signature should be there, am I right?

Is this what Gravy did to do to try and prove his point in his stupid meaningless video?

 

[JimBenArm]

He believes in effect/cause obviously...

 

[LastChild]

70 stories is 700 ft, or about an 1/8th of a mile. You don't think charges powerful enough to sever massive core columns can be heard an 1/8 of a mile away?

It would depend on what they used wouldn't it? Would heat weakening of the impact zone with some kind of accelerant make an initial boom?

Because the speed of sound is fairly constant and I understand the cause/effect relationship.

Did the collapse of the top floors on to the lower floors make no sound? How do you know what came first?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

his stupid meaningless video?

Still not fooling anyone with this.

It is a sad day when a child can be heard over an Internet connection, pounding the walls, weeping with frustration , howling those last three words with the beautiful combination of snot and tears dancing together in a happy and fruitful labour with one another on the lower half of his/her face. A sad day for all.

 

[DGM]

Is this what Gravy did to do to try and prove his point in his stupid meaningless video?

My comment was to you not Gravy. Do you think it would be worth trying to isolate the sounds (that must be there) from the audio tapes? If no, why not?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

maybe? you mean you don't know for sure?

anyone here can tell you its difficult to know anything about the collapses with 100% certainty, but i can tell you thats a heck of a lot more likely than any explanation involving quiet explosives

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Wow eight hours later and that's the best you have to back up what you claim? Let's take a look at this one more time yet again...





Who is the know nothing liar?

YOU are the liar. Because you STILL don't understand what a dynamic microphone is. It has NOTHING to do with where sound is picked up. NOTHING. Do you understand that? NOTHING? Want me to repeat it again? NOTHING. You don't know the difference between a transducer type and a polar pattern. Even a beginner would know this. Yet you can't even get the basics right. And while in that sentence you imply it reduces the sound, you don't say how much. You DO say how much in that it's use is the explanation for there being a complete ELIMINATION of any demolition charges from the audio. That makes you even more WRONG.

And that's not the part that makes you a liar. The part that makes you a liar is your claim that people are saying there were no explosions at all.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

It would depend on what they used wouldn't it? Would heat weakening of the impact zone with some kind of accelerant make an initial boom?



Did the collapse of the top floors on to the lower floors make no sound? How do you know what came first?

Here goes Lastchild with the conspiracy shuffle. The point of the thread we're discussing (which makes this thread a violation) was to address the clam of the WTC looking like a CD. So now that your claim got completely shot down, you're ju,ping to some kind of super secret special demolition which does NOT resemble a controlled demolition. And yet the whole basis for the demolition claim is that it LOOKs like a CD. So now to back up your new claim of it being some heat related demolition, you have ZERO proof since your original proof was completely debunked.

This also proves that people like you have no concern for actual research and are simply trying to do anything to reinforce your pre-determined conclusion that there was a conspiracy. You decided that before doing any research at all and now only accept data which supports that, and reject anything that doesn't. These two threads prove that.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

maybe? you mean you don't know for sure?

You mean like how you know that every video of the WTC collapsing was made by reporters using special mics designed to eliminate the sound of demolition charges and how you know that every video of a controlled demolition was set up with equipment designed especially to capture the sound of the demolition charges? Funny though how you were unable to prove that claim.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Really? And do they blow them 70 stories up first in the middle of a core that I believe was what... an acre in size? Are there helicopters flying over head and sirens going off and people screaming? When the initiation started how do you know what happened first? How do you know if it's the sound of an explosion or the sound of the top floors coming down?

So the cameras and mics all have no problem picking up the sound of the collapse that is 70ft up, but they cannot record the charges which are much louder than the collapse? And this is because of helicopters and sirens, etc? So I guess they turned off all the sirens and helicopters as the building actually collapsed huh? Now THAT would be a conspiracy. Only problem is that some of the best footage was taken from a helicopter. So how was the helicopter not able to mute out the sound of the collapse while it was able to mute out the sound of the demolition charges?

These are some really interesting claims. I think you should bring this up with AES. I think AES would find your claims about how audio and sound works very interesting. Have you considered maybe writing a paper on your findings and submitting it to AES for some peer review? Do you think that AES would back you up on these claims?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

What's sad is people who don't know the difference between the sound of a skyscraper collapsing and the sound of a building one tenth the size collapsing. What is even sadder are people who do know the difference but pretend not to.

You are of course referring to yourself here. Forget that you don't even know the most basic principles of sound or audio. You certainly don't know anything about the difference between a large building and a small building.

Don't you find it kind of funny that you make this claim knowing that a building the size of the WTC has NEVER been demolished in the way you claim it was on 9/11, yet you now claim you seem to have some kind of expertise on how it should sound. STOP LYING.

 

[Corsair 115]

I was wondering what that clickety-clack sound I heard coming from this thread was, and now I know: it's the sound of LastChild's rapid tapdancing trying to justify his position given the increasing amount of facts stacking up against him.

Microphones which don't record sounds at all if they're too loud... that's one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard.

 

[LastChild]

YOU are the liar. Because you STILL don't understand what a dynamic microphone is. It has NOTHING to do with where sound is picked up. NOTHING. Do you understand that? NOTHING? Want me to repeat it again? NOTHING. You don't know the difference between a transducer type and a polar pattern. Even a beginner would know this. Yet you can't even get the basics right. And while in that sentence you imply it reduces the sound, you don't say how much. You DO say how much in that it's use is the explanation for there being a complete ELIMINATION of any demolition charges from the audio. That makes you even more WRONG.

And that's not the part that makes you a liar. The part that makes you a liar is your claim that people are saying there were no explosions at all.

You lie and you lie because it's all you got.

And still you lie.

"A dynamic mic is designed to pickup whats in front of it and cut down as much as possible the sounds further away." - Lastchild.

"I also can't help but laugh at Lastchild with his claim about how a dynamic microphone only picks up sound in front of it." - clueless

You DO say how much in that it's use is the explanation for there being a complete ELIMINATION of any demolition charges from the audio. -clueless

Now tell everyone here once and for all King Audio how explosions would have been clearly heard over the sound of the collapsing wtc in Gravy's crap video.

And tell everyone once and for all what kind of camera and microphone or pad or whatever else was used in the wtc clip in Gravy's movie and just how you know it.

No need to get your panties in a bunch and throw such a hissy. Just back it up.

Or just tell another lie. You’re good at that.

 

[IMST]

A few years back I taught a quarter at a JC about basic audio engineering. Every one of my students got the difference between principle of operation and polar pattern. I didn't get one wrong answer on any quiz or test that confused the two concepts. Maybe I should post my basics of the microphone lecture here. Sheesh.

 

[LastChild]

My comment was to you not Gravy. Do you think it would be worth trying to isolate the sounds (that must be there) from the audio tapes? If no, why not?

Not for me no. Ask gravy he's seems determined on wasting his life in the pursuit of proving absolutely nothing.