What? Here you go again with these crazy equivocational strawmen. It's your theory that the explosions couldn't be heard over the collapse wave sounds. We pointed out that since the charges would have gone off before the collapse initiation(in your hypothetical, that is.. normally I wouldn't have to point this out, but.....)then they would be audible. Very simple concept which you have repeatedly dodged not addressed.
at least some explosions would have to go off before the collapse begins, your argument that the sound of the collapse masked the sound of the explosions doesnt cover pre-collapse explosions
your argument of directed mics facing away from the towers doesnt cover it either, as they would still be pointed at the towers (or at least in the general direction of them) until the collapse begins
so why do we not hear clear pre-collapse explosions in the WTC?
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Don Dahler: peter?
Peter Jennings: yes Don?
Don Dahler: What appeared to happen from my vantage point the top part of the building was totally involved in fire and there was there appeared to be no effort possible to put that fire out. it looked like the top part of the building was so weakened by the fire it just the weight of it collapsed the rest of the building. Thats what appeared to happen. I did not see anything happening at the base of the building, It all appeared to start at the top. and just collapse the rest of the building by the sheer weight of the top. there was no explosion or anything at the base part of but I, I did see that the top part of it start to collapse the walls started to, bulge out. Bricks glass things coming that coming out. And then it collapsed in on itself and it appeared to just fold down from there from the very top.
Peter Jennings: Thanks don very much.
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Don Dahler: peter?
Peter Jennings: yes Don?
Don Dahler: What appeared to happen from my vantage point the top part of the building was totally involved in fire and there was there appeared to be no effort possible to put that fire out. it looked like the top part of the building was so weakened by the fire it just the weight of it collapsed the rest of the building. Thats what appeared to happen. I did not see anything happening at the base of the building, It all appeared to start at the top. and just collapse the rest of the building by the sheer weight of the top. there was no explosion or anything at the base part of but I, I did see that the top part of it start to collapse the walls started to, bulge out. Bricks glass things coming that coming out. And then it collapsed in on itself and it appeared to just fold down from there from the very top.
Peter Jennings: Thanks don very much.
Peter:Now this is what it looked like moments ago... My gosh.
The southern .. tower ... 10 o'clock eastern time this morning,just collapsing on itself.
This is a place where thousands of people work. We have no idea what caused this.
Um ..If you wish to bring ah .. anybody who’s ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows .. that if you're going to do this you have to get at the .. at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down.
Are we going to start claiming now that no one heard explosions and no one thought any of the collapses on 9/11 looked like CD?
Peter:Now this is what it looked like moments ago... My gosh.
The southern .. tower ... 10 o'clock eastern time this morning,just collapsing on itself.
This is a place where thousands of people work. We have no idea what caused this.
Um ..If you wish to bring ah .. anybody who’s ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows .. that if you're going to do this you have to get at the .. at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down.
Are we going to start claiming now that no one heard explosions and no one thought any of the collapses on 9/11 looked like CD?
LastChild:
Why would the microphones used at ground zero not pick up all of the sounds? Even if it's masked by the collapse the sound would still be there on the tape. Why don't you use your audio mastery to isolate it and prove everyone wrong. Your not saying that it would not be picked up, right?
What? Here you go again with these crazy equivocational strawmen. It's your theory that the explosions couldn't be heard over the collapse wave sounds. We pointed out that since the charges would have gone off before the collapse initiation(in your hypothetical, that is.. normally I wouldn't have to point this out, but.....)then they would be audible. Very simple concept which you have repeatedly dodged not addressed.
Let's get something straight. I don't contend to know for certain that there were any explosives in the WTC. What I say is nothing in Gravy's crap video proves anything either way in the comparison he tries to make.
I think it boils down to all the twoofers figure since they have their fingers in their ears and can't hear anything, it must be true for everyone. Kinda like "if I can't see you, you can't see me".
Peter:Now this is what it looked like moments ago... My gosh. The southern .. tower ... 10 o'clock eastern time this morning,just collapsing on itself.
This is a place where thousands of people work. We have no idea what caused this.
Um ..If you wish to bring ah .. anybody who’s ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows .. that if you're going to do this you have to get at the .. at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down.
Are we going to start claiming now that no one heard explosions and no one thought any of the collapses on 9/11 looked like CD?
ill spell it out again for you
peter Jennings was in a studio. Don Dahler was on the street near the towers when they collapsed. And what did Don say? ill highlight it for you
Don Dahler: peter?
Peter Jennings: yes Don?
Don Dahler: What appeared to happen from my vantage point the top part of the building was totally involved in fire and there was there appeared to be no effort possible to put that fire out. it looked like the top part of the building was so weakened by the fire it just the weight of it collapsed the rest of the building. Thats what appeared to happen. I did not see anything happening at the base of the building, It all appeared to start at the top. and just collapse the rest of the building by the sheer weight of the top. there was no explosion or anything at the base part of but I, I did see that the top part of it start to collapse the walls started to, bulge out. Bricks glass things coming that coming out. And then it collapsed in on itself and it appeared to just fold down from there from the very top.
Peter Jennings: Thanks don very much.
Do you realize that in demolitions, the 'cutter charge explosion sounds' are audible because many of them(most?) happen before the collapse starts? It's a simple question that can be answered with a "yes" or a "no".
LastChild:
Why would the microphones used at ground zero not pick up all of the sounds? Even if it's masked by the collapse the sound would still be there on the tape. Why don't you use your audio mastery to isolate it and prove everyone wrong. Your not saying that it would not be picked up, right?
Let's get something straight. I don't contend to know for certain that there were any explosives in the WTC. What I say is nothing in Gravy's crap video proves anything either way in the comparison he tries to make.
Don't worry I, for one, never thought you grew any testicles to allow you to take a stand. I suspect you've been following the problem Red's encountered when he finally did and don't want to experience the same humiliation.
Do you realize that in demolitions, the 'cutter charge explosion sounds' are audible because many of them(most?) happen before the collapse starts? It's a simple question that can be answered with a "yes" or a "no".
Really? And do they blow them 70 stories up first in the middle of a core that I believe was what... an acre in size? Are there helicopters flying over head and sirens going off and people screaming? When the initiation started how do you know what happened first? How do you know if it's the sound of an explosion or the sound of the top floors coming down?
Why wouldn't it work? The sound would be there on the tape.
As far as proving what it was you would need to link it to visual clues and convince other audio engineers of its authenticity. You know, research. Give it a go. what do you have to lose but time. You could find the "smoking gun".
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