Brand New CT sub-group: No-Sounders

[Corsair 115]

The No-Sounders claim first that no audio captured on 9/11 has the sound of explosions.

That's not entirely accurate. It would be more correct to say that no audio captured the sound of demolition charges detonating. This is an important difference.

A firecracker is an explosion, albeit a tiny one. A hand grendade is an explosion, though it too is relatively small. A demolition charge, of the kind usually used to demolish buildings, is on the other hand very powerful and very loud.

Nobody's saying that Rudi himself is responsible for adding the sound of explosions ( two of them, pre collapse ) to the audio in a movie that was merely about him. From what I gather on the gravy's new video thread, the BOOM BOOM was added by the foley guys when they were putting the movie together.

Good question though.....Why ?

For the same reason sound effects are added to any other film — to make the scene more dramatic. How many guns do you see fired in a movie or television show actually sound like that when fired for real? Same sort of thing.

Real sounds are often either dull or don't have enough "oomph" for a dramatic scene, so they get replaced with sound effects during post-production. There is also the additional reason that it gives greater control during the mixing of the many soundtracks together to produce the final soundtrack. Individual tracks for dialogue, sound effects, music, etc., means each can be selectively controlled to produce the best dramatic result.

Remember, every non-documentary film, whether it's based on a true story or is wholly fictional, is a piece of entertainment first and foremost. Reality will take a back seat to making it dramatic.

 

[Stout]

So the sounds were added merely to increase dramatic effect ? Makes sense. I understand about why the sound editors would want to up the quality of the building collapsing noise so it sounds better through a sub woofer, but why add explosion sounds ?

As a build up maybe ?

Ktesibios.....that's all your work in that other thread??...good on ya and cheers for doing it.

Sigh...I'm seeing a direct relationship between what truthers believe..and the movies.

 

[Slayhamlet]

Nobody's saying that Rudi himself is responsible for adding the sound of explosions ( two of them, pre collapse ) to the audio in a movie that was merely about him. From what I gather on the gravy's new video thread, the BOOM BOOM was added by the foley guys when they were putting the movie together.

Last Child knows this very well. He's simply a liar. A nasty, creepy little liar.

Do not alter another poster's name.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Stout]

Yes, I suppose he does.

I subscribe to the Gravy's new video thread and nowhere did I see anyone even remotely suggesting that Rudi had anything to do with it.

I think what happened, is when I saw the sentence stating that someone had said that Rudi did it, a circuit in my brain was overloaded by the sheer magnitude of the stupidity and all I saw was a blank.

Much like the way really loud CD explosions overload the mics on camcorders and appear as mere silence on the tape.

 

[Quad4_72]

LastChild, provide a link to video footage that has the audio of an explosive charge being detonated. Ready, go.

 

[pomeroo]

But, you silly liar, we can all see that your opponents have not claimed what you claim that they claim. You were even dumb enough to supply links to their actual statements so that we can all see that you're lying.

Why are you lying about their opinions rather than debating their real opinions?

If, as I suspect, it is because you cannot debate their real opinions, that's nature's way of telling you that they are right and you are wrong.

Oh, the irony!

 

[pomeroo]

Well we have all heard of the No-Planers right? Well apparently we now have the No-Sounders. The No-Sounders claim first that no audio captured on 9/11 has the sound of explosions. Secondly in the same breath the no-sounders then claim if there are any sounds of explosions caught on any of the many recordings captured on 9/11 they are either explosive sounds that are not explosives or they are fake.

That’s right! You heard it. Fake audio just like the no-planers claim fake video.

And who prêt ell is behind such evil doings as to put the sound of explosions into wtc collapse videos? Are you ready for this?

Rudi Giuliani.

That’s right folks. Apparently according to Gravy and ktesibios Rudy and his evil cohorts may have had access to a Hollywood FX lab and put the sounds of explosions into a WTC collapse video.

Why would he do this?

I have no frigging idea.

Some no-sounders like Jonnyclueless go further and claim that all microphones record sound the same exact way. So it doesn’t matter that it is not known what was used in any of the recordings of the wtc collapse videos because all microphones would have distinctly picked up the sound of explosions over the sound of a collapsing 110 story building the same exact way. Even if it was just a microphone built into a hand-held camcorder while the person holding it is running for their life. Jonnyclueless also claims that the sound of something carries just as well from underground or behind walls as it does in an open environment. He knows this because he is an expert who knows more then anyone here on JREF about audio.

I’ve started this thread so that they may explain their conspiracy theory in more detail. I’m especially interested in what they have to claim about fake audio and Rudy.

Three options remained open to you following your recent humiliations:

1) Admit that you have a great deal to learn about technical subjects in which you claim expertise but display total ignorance.

2) Slink away silently, tail between your legs.

3) Promote a new, easily-exposed falsehood.


Option 1 is, for a conspiracy liar, unthinkable. If you had the character and intellectual integrity to admit to shortcomings, you wouldn't be a conspiracy liar. Option 2 is favored by many prominent charlatans. Option 3, your unfortunate choice, merely postpones the day when you must choose either 1 or 2.

 

[Max Photon]

Brand new CT sub-group?

I don't like the of that.

 

[realitybites]

I don't like the of that.

And I'm not too keen on your sentence structure either.

 

[pomeroo]

I don't like the of that.

Not bad, Max. I'll give you that.

 

[A W Smith]

And I'm not too keen on your sentence structure either.

that was max try @ humor

 

[leftysergeant]

I don't like the of that.

I think you have a screw or two loose, but you do seem to be mentally a bit healthier than the average twoofer in that you are capable of a flash of humor on occassions. Most of it is too childish for this crowd, but, with a tap or two on the space bar, that would be the funniest post in this thread.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

yes, please.

"A dynamic mic is designed to pickup whats in front of it and cut down as much as possible the sounds further away." - Lastchild.

This guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. And as pointed out, his topic here is a complete lie. He won't be able to quote anyone on his claim, because no one said the things he is claiming. In fact HE is the one making the claim. HE is the one saying that because of the type of microphone and equipment used, the explosion sounds weren't picked up. Yet that equipment had no problem what so ever picking up the not as loud sounds. It doesn't get any stupider than that. So now he has to pretend that we're claiming there were no explosion sounds period, which was never the claim. The claim was that there were no DEMOLITION CHARGES explosions. Which Gravy demonstrated in his video are quite distinctive and cannot be confused with anything else. Lastchild tried to convince us that they simply weren't picked up.

Ironically he is making this lie toward people here who were actually there as the events happened and didn't even have to depend on equipment. Which just makes his very VERY wrong claims about how audio works even worse.

 

[Slayhamlet]

BTW: Here's the original, unedited footage South Tower Falls, shot front of Trinity Church

 

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

But, you silly liar, we can all see that your opponents have not claimed what you claim that they claim. You were even dumb enough to supply links to their actual statements so that we can all see that you're lying.

Why are you lying about their opinions rather than debating their real opinions?

If, as I suspect, it is because you cannot debate their real opinions, that's nature's way of telling you that they are right and you are wrong.

PRICELESS!

 

[Undesired Walrus]

LastChild. I have asked you this question on countless occassions. You have never answered.

Why did the Naudet Brothers pick up the very loud sound of Flight 11 exploding into the North Tower, when it was rush hour in NYC?

 

[Brainache]

LastChild. I have asked you this question on countless occassions. You have never answered.

Why did the Naudet Brothers pick up the very loud sound of Flight 11 exploding into the North Tower, when it was rush hour in NYC?

Aww can't we get him to explain the lack of shattered windows around the WTC first?

Oh and since it is now 2008 here in Sinny Straya I say Happy New Year!

 

[LastChild]

"A dynamic mic is designed to pickup whats in front of it and cut down as much as possible the sounds further away." - Lastchild.

Wow eight hours later and that's the best you have to back up what you claim? Let's take a look at this one more time yet again...

"I also can't help but laugh at Lastchild with his claim about how a dynamic microphone only picks up sound in front of it." - clueless

"A dynamic mic is designed to pickup whats in front of it and cut down as much as possible the sounds further away." - Lastchild.

Who is the know nothing liar?

 

[Horatius]

Aww can't we get him to explain the lack of shattered windows around the WTC first?

I'm going to go with "No" on that.

 

[TheRedWorm]

LastChild. I have asked you this question on countless occassions. You have never answered.

Why did the Naudet Brothers pick up the very loud sound of Flight 11 exploding into the North Tower, when it was rush hour in NYC?

Any answer for this, LC?