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Any hypothesis on pools of metal?

Devil's Advocate said:
Vast amounts of fuel from what?
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I would ask you to think about that for a while and come up with your best educated guesses, but I'm tired, so I'm just going to plug my site again.

NIST WTC FAQs 13 & 14

WTC Debris Piles Composition

With Water and Sweat, Fighting the Most Stubborn Fire

[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Fires still burning in subterranean levels pose test to rescuers[/FONT]

Was molten metal in the basements caused by demolitions materials? (Why were debris piles so hot, so long?)

REF R. Mackey on eutectic steel / thermate

Steven E. Jones' Thermate claims

So, all the inflammables that were in the towers, everything that was beneath the towers, the contents of fuel and coolant tanks, much of the contents of the huge parking garages, much of the contents of the subterranean mall that surrounded the towers....


Why can't I put an Avatar up? I'm new to forums. =o)
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You need 50 posts.
 
PhantomWolf said:
The fires got to at least 600°C shown by the physical steel samples. The NIST computer predictions put some of the temperatures up to around 1,000°C.
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Were the predictions with regard to temperature in the towers while they were standing or after they had fallen?
If they predict those temperatures while they were standing, what could have caused heat of 1,000(c)?

And how do you make the 'degrees' symbol? lol
 
Gravy said:
I would ask you to think about that for a while and come up with your best educated guesses, but I'm tired, so I'm just going to plug my site again.

NIST WTC FAQs 13 & 14

WTC Debris Piles Composition

With Water and Sweat, Fighting the Most Stubborn Fire

[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Fires still burning in subterranean levels pose test to rescuers[/FONT]

Was molten metal in the basements caused by demolitions materials? (Why were debris piles so hot, so long?)

REF R. Mackey on eutectic steel / thermate

Steven E. Jones' Thermate claims

So, all the inflammables that were in the towers, everything that was beneath the towers, the contents of fuel and coolant tanks, much of the contents of the huge parking garages, much of the contents of the subterranean mall that surrounded the towers....


You need 50 posts.
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Thanks for the links. I still have a lot of reading to do.


50 posts!?
Do they get mad if you spam your own thread?




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Were the predictions with regard to temperature in the towers while they were standing or after they had fallen?
If they predict those temperatures while they were standing, what could have caused heat of 1,000(c)?
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Yes, NIST only deals with the events up to the collapse. I believe that thermals imaging referenced eariler shows hot spots over 1,000°C. Ordinary fires can get very hot, the average tmeperature of the WTC fires was up about 800°C, and NIST discovered that if you break up the office funiture it actually burns even hotter. There may have been localised spots that exceeded even NIST's predictions if the aluminium or oxygen generators from the planes burned while the towers were standing. (See some on Crazy Chainsaw or Apollo 20's postings on those topics)

As to the ° symbol. If you are using a windows based PC, hold down alt and then type the numbers 0 1 7 6 on the numberpad. (don't use the number above the letters, they don't work, it has to be the numberpad.)
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Would the fires have been able to maintain that temp after the jet fuel had been exhausted?
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Buildings are full of combustible material which will readily fuel a fire; if they weren't, then buildings wouldn't burn and there'd be no need for fire departments.

Devil's Advocate said:
(Thanks for the degree code)
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I've got a printout which lists a whole bunch of such handy character codes.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Wow, I feel so alone. haha.
I am sorry I cannot get back to every reply because after I reply to one, there are five more replies.

Ok, so there is eyewitness testimony? So is that reason enough to investigate what it was/could have been?
I just wanted to know if there was anything on that event. I will say however that I do not believe it should be ignored until it can be explained.
Unless of course the witness testimony is to be disregarded. Which I do not think it should.
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Welcome to the forums.

Why is it so interesting? Why do we need to be able to explain every little observation from a vastly complex and partly chaotic event?

Hans
 
Corsair 115 said:
Buildings are full of combustible material which will readily fuel a fire; if they weren't, then buildings wouldn't burn and there'd be no need for fire departments.
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Why are you coming across like you are somehow superior to me in any way?
Your condescending reply did not answer my question.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Would the fires have been able to maintain that temp after the jet fuel had been exhausted?
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The jet fuel fires were likely cooler than the office furnature fires, so the temp was likely to have increased as more of the fuel was office supplies and less was jet fuel
 
MRC_Hans said:
Welcome to the forums.

Why is it so interesting? Why do we need to be able to explain every little observation from a vastly complex and partly chaotic event?

Hans
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Why should I view it as less than interesting? I just want to further understand a topic I have not seen much discussion on.
I was lead to believe people were happy to answer question here for people that were interested.
I guess people will lose their seemingly paranoid suspicions of me once they realize I have no agenda other than learning.

I hear the same thing from the CT crowd over and over. Thermite/Thermate. I want to hear other ways the event could have happened.
 
I want to know what happened to the office furniture that didn't burn. There were thousands of chairs, desks, computers etc but none were found.

There was also 200 acres of flat steel floor decking, I have never even seen a picture of any floor decks.
 
PhantomWolf said:
The jet fuel fires were likely cooler than the office furnature fires, so the temp was likely to have increased as more of the fuel was office supplies and less was jet fuel
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Office furniture would have burned hotter than jet fuel? That is interesting. I need to read the NIST report again. I cannot recall if it mentioned any O2 starvation that seemed to be evident in the thick black smoke from the towers.
I guess that all would just be speculation anyway.
I have looked for pictures of what the floors looked like in the towers (like a real photograph) so I can get a better idea of it all.
If anyone has one, could you post a link to it please?
I'm googling my butt off over here.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
I want to know what happened to the office furniture that didn't burn. There were thousands of chairs, desks, computers etc but none were found.

There was also 200 acres of flat steel floor decking, I have never even seen a picture of any floor decks.
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Perhaps there is no furniture because it was all crushed in the collapse?
And perhaps the steel flooring deck is part of the molten metal flows?
Just speculating.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Office furniture would have burned hotter than jet fuel? That is interesting.
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The materials that make up office furniture actually have more chemical energy availible than Jet Fuel, this makes the flames and thus the fire hotter.

I need to read the NIST report again. I cannot recall if it mentioned any O2 starvation that seemed to be evident in the thick black smoke from the towers.
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This is another CT myth. Black smoke isn't always a sign of oxygen starvation, it is a sign of a fuel rich enviroment. Plastics and other hydrocarbons burn with dense black smoke. I'm sure there are a few photos of car fires and even plastic wire insulation on fire posted somewhere on the board, they show a lot of black smoke.

I have looked for pictures of what the floors looked like in the towers (like a real photograph) so I can get a better idea of it all.
If anyone has one, could you post a link to it please?
I'm googling my butt off over here.
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Try Malcolm's 175 doesn't exist thread, I recall some in there if you can stomach it.
 
There was also 200 acres of flat steel floor decking, I have never even seen a picture of any floor decks.

Most of it ended up in the 7 story high pile in the collapse zones, there are photos.
 
PhantomWolf said:
The materials that make up office furniture actually have more chemical energy availible than Jet Fuel, this makes the flames and thus the fire hotter.



This is another CT myth. Black smoke isn't always a sign of oxygen starvation, it is a sign of a fuel rich enviroment. Plastics and other hydrocarbons burn with dense black smoke. I'm sure there are a few photos of car fires and even plastic wire insulation on fire posted somewhere on the board, they show a lot of black smoke.



Try Malcolm's 175 doesn't exist thread, I recall some in there if you can stomach it.
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Ok, thanks for that information.
Wait...175 did not exist?
....
Eh?
Did he mean at all, or just after it was torn apart by the slamming into a building?
I'll assume by the "If you can stomach it" as an indication of the latter.
Yikes.
 
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