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The nephilim

Some additional questions for Dustin, if he's still checking in:

First, forget the Nephilim; you've got bigger problems:

A worldwide flood that covered all the land and killed all of the fauna not on Noah's boat would also have killed a large percentage of the flora, and would have destroyed the planet's ecological balance. Also, such an event would have left copious evidence in the fossil record. (Please don't cite the Grand Canyon as evidence of the flood; you'll look more foolish than you already do.)

If the omnipotent (and deranged) superbeing wanted to destroy all life on earth, why the flood? Why didn't he just snap his divine fingers (so to speak) and wink all life out of existence? Did the god want to watch its creatures paddle around helplessly in a screaming panic until they became exhausted and drowned? I wouldn't do this, and I'm an ordinary mortal. This is a deity you worship?

Second, consider this: the tale of the flood is a so-called moral fable that teaches you'd better kiss Hank's arse or he'll kick the [rule 8] out of you.

TAL
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
We have no idea if some creatures existed in ancient or prehistoric times who never fossilized for one reaosn or another. We should never concluded that something NEVER existed simply because there is no evidence it ever existed. Do you disagree with that?
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Not true. We know what the skin of various dinosaurs was like, and whether some early bird-like proto-birds had feathers or not, because they die and fall into a mud flat, and the imprint of their skin then fossilizes.

So in some instances, it is indeed possible to detect creatures and features that otherwise would not fossilize by themselves.

Wood also rots away, but we've no shortage of petrified forests.

Of course this race of "giants of old, men of reknown", was just a leftover tale from some earlier religion that was still floating around in popular consciiousness back then, and hence the writers of the Bible felt they had to account for it, either by direct inclusion, or, as more likely, by excising as much as was necessary to bring the earlier works into alignment with the current theology.

Depending on the fussiness level of the Christian apologist, they are not the leftovers from when Yahweh's Canaanite pantheon members mated with mortal women, but (since Yahweh's pantheon was converted to a pantheon of size = 1) they are either children of mortal women and angels, or just really big but otherwise normal humans.

But in no circumstances may a Christian interpret that as Yahweh and his existing god-buddies pounding on some lucky human females.
 
Mark Twain said:
You remember what he did in the time of the flood. There were multitudes and multitudes of tiny little children, and he knew they had never done him any harm; but their relations had, and that was enough for him: he saw the waters rise toward their screaming lips, he saw the wild terror in their eyes, he saw that agony of appeal in the mothers' faces which would have touched any heart but his, but he was after the guiltless particularly, than he drowned those poor little chaps.
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Dare if you will...
 
brodski said:
I believe that Shakespeare got there sooner; in The winters tale.
Perhaps Hermione was one of the “daughters of men” who mated with the sons of god?
There’se no evidence for this- so it is probable.

Either way, this proves that Nephilim-statuology has a long, and distinguished history- predating the Authorised (“King James”) version of the Bible by almost two decades!

Not like this upstart RRLS theory!
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Blasphemer! I don't see how you could disagree with this theory. Have you ever tried to stand still during a global deluge? I don't think so. And it's not like they were using ordinary straws - not even long ones. They were Really Really Long! One day you will understand, but it will be too late.
 
prewitt81 said:
Blasphemer! I don't see how you could disagree with this theory. Have you ever tried to stand still during a global deluge? I don't think so. And it's not like they were using ordinary straws - not even long ones. They were Really Really Long! One day you will understand, but it will be too late.
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Sorry, your so called “theory” is full of holes. I may not be able to stand still throughout a global flood, but the I am not the grandson of god, as the Nephilimare.

Furthermore, not only would the straws have to be really really long, the Nephilim must have known, well in advance, just how deep eth flood waters would have been. And if god was going to give them this information and then provide them with supernaturally long straws (over 5,130 metres!) why not just do the more simple- and more impressive- miracle, and turn them into stone for the duration.


Stone giants have grace, majesty and a sense of occasion, straws are just a bit naff, no matter how really long they are. No all powerful god would chose straws over statues!

And even if He did, have you thought how heavy a self supporting straw over 5KM long would be? Holding that for almost 6 months would tire anyone’s arms- it’s just not possible!

Therefore Nephilim-statuism is the only logical choice!
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
There have been tales of Giants from all societies ...
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True.

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strathmeyer said:
I'm sorry, what evidence do we have that the nephilim can't breathe under water?
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We have no evidence that they can't breath underwater, therefore they probably can't breathe underwater, and their bones were almost certainly made of some water soluble, quick decaying material anyway.
The clear lack of any evidence for this whatsoever is all the proof we need!
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
According to the Bible they're half human.



I didn't realize that.



How could I know what their bone structure was made of if I don't have their bones?



No.
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Well if they are half human then why would their bones disintegrate so rapidly? Especially as they are likely to be larger bones than human bones.

Oh well, no evidence does not mean that they didn't exist. However for them to have existed proof would be nice. Perhaps there were much fewer of them and they didn’t actually crossbreed with humans?
 
Dancing David said:
Well if they are half human then why would their bones disintegrate so rapidly? Especially as they are likely to be larger bones than human bones.
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I have a different problem with the statement you're answering.

If they're half-human, doesn't that really mean they're all human? In that the DNA would have to match in order for reproduction to occur?

How do you get a "half" human? Isn't that like saying your pet is literally half-dog and half-cat, which as far as I know is impossible?




<waiting now for a cute picture of Catdog. :p>
 
prewitt81 said:
Does the Bible tell you why they existed after the flood? I thought only what was on the ark was spared.
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I really like that question.

Maybe Nephilism is a recessive gene carried by one of Noah's sons' wives?
 
Piscivore said:
Originally Posted by Dustin Kesselberg
It's more than possible that a race of giant beings existed but who's bones were made out of quickly degrading material that could not fossilize and so we have no signs of them.
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Sounds a bit like our Mr. Kesselberg has been reading "The Whisperer in Darkness".
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But not speed reading it.

Claims that reading speeds above 350 wpm are impossible, despit the Guinnes Book of records having the fastest talker at 600 wpm...

Evidence schevidence
 
KingMerv00 said:
Or fly...or walk through walls...or crap ice cream...
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Uh-oh... Should I be suspicious of the soft-serve ice cream machine at the Golden Corral? Man, that would explain a lot of things. Though I'm still wondering how you can get chocolate out of one side, and vanilla out of the other .... No, on second thought, let's just forget it altogether.

How 'bout them Yankees?

Beanbag
 
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