The nephilim

[The Grave]

Absolutely...

Yes.

Thrice! There is no evidence for a god, but do you think IT existed?

Whereas...Sherlock Holmes has an address and a very 'close' friend...Oh er Dr.W leave that alone...

Griff...

 

[The Grave]

Creationist crap!

I have a different problem with the statement you're answering.

If they're half-human, doesn't that really mean they're all human? In that the DNA would have to match in order for reproduction to occur?

How do you get a "half" human? Isn't that like saying your pet is literally half-dog and half-cat, which as far as I know is impossible?




<waiting now for a cute picture of Catdog. >

Well spotted! A totally ludicrous statement exposed...But then this is exactly the mentality of creationists in that they think a fish morphs into a rhinoceros which then morphs into a whale...

The problem being that Stone-aged men [who wrote the bible] didn't know a cat's arse from a bats farce!

They were but simple folkers!

Griff...

 

[Correa Neto]

You don't know that either. What % of living creatures were fossilized? What % of those that were fossilized have we discovered? There could have been entire phylogenic trees that we don't know about simply because they either never fossilized or we haven't yet found their fossils.. Monkeys with 8 arms and 2 heads or Giants who were birthed from Angels and Men.

Argument of ignorance...

Tell me how likely would be for a complete linneage of terrestrial vertebrates with six limbs to be completely "hidden" from our knoweledge? Tell me how lilely would it be for an entire chordate-like phyllum with notochords made of some unkown substance be completely hidden from our knoweledge?

Please tell me why I should consider things that are not supported by the slightest piece of evidence could be real or even plausible.

Your "entire phylogenic trees that we don't know about", for example...

Would you consider giant jellyfishes living in the upper atmosphere as possible? I rule out such possibility, just like I rule out a race of giant humanoid creatures whose bones made of unliklium or inobtanium can not be fossilized and that also never left any other archeological vestigies, such as tools, habitations, etc.

There's no evidence, there's not even room for the possibility of existence of such a race of giants. If you were talking about some extinct species of tall hominids with limited geographic distribution could be the "root" of the myth, that would be plausibe. We have fossils of giant apes, such as Gigantopithecus and the controversial Meganthropus fossils (the last ones considered by some as evidence for the Nephilim). But these were real creatures, whose evolutionary linneage can be traced. Their bones were not made of unliklium or inobtanium.

Not to mention that since there's no evidence for the existence of angels, thus considering the possibility of existence of a race created by interbreeding between angels and humans is...

 

[NetPen]

Another interesting point is that, according to the bible, the Nephilim existed before and after the flood (see Numbers 13:33 for an example of post-flood Nephilim).

How did they survive the flood? I thought only those on the ark were spared.

Wasn't the Nephilim supposed to be the size of mountains anyway? If so then how in the -bleep- were they able to have intercourse with tiny human women? Also, I'm pretty sure this was mentioned before, how did Mr. Ya's flood miss those things? That's like missing the broad side of a barn with all 100 rounds of a machine gun whilst you're only six feet away from it!

Also, for people who say that giants had existed because of multiple societies telling similar stories, I just have to ask them "what about wereanimals? You got stories of werewolves from the west and werefoxes from the east, not to mention vampires and whatnot. So, if you're saying that giants existed because of all of these different stories across the world, then why not wereanimals or vampires?"

PS: I would be greatly amused, or irked, by a Nephilim-believer who professes to believe in werewolves and vampires. If that's the case then it says a lot about these people.

 

[dlorde]

Wasn't the Nephilim supposed to be the size of mountains anyway? If so then how in the -bleep- were they able to have intercourse with tiny human women? Also, I'm pretty sure this was mentioned before, how did Mr. Ya's flood miss those things? That's like missing the broad side of a barn with all 100 rounds of a machine gun whilst you're only six feet away from it!

Logic suggests that if only Noah and the occupants of the ark survived the flood, these giants must have been on the ark (a bit cramped I expect). Also, they could only impregnate relatively tiny human women if they were very, very poorly endowed indeed.

Or probably it's just a tall story

 

[Dancing David]

Thread necromancy!

 

[Kid Eager]

Thread necromancy!

they had to resurrect a necromancer to do the resurrection, it was so far back.

 

[Steve001]

We have no idea if some creatures existed in ancient or prehistoric times who never fossilized for one reaosn or another. We should never concluded that something NEVER existed simply because there is no evidence it ever existed. Do you disagree with that?

A good point. But explanations shouldn't be concocted either.

 

[NetPen]

Logic suggests that if only Noah and the occupants of the ark survived the flood, these giants must have been on the ark (a bit cramped I expect). Also, they could only impregnate relatively tiny human women if they were very, very poorly endowed indeed.

Or probably it's just a tall story

Don't you mean "well" endowed?

Also, I don't recall giants getting on board that boat in any of the modern retellings nor did I read about it while back in my Christian High School. Surely they wouldn't have left anything important like that out...right?

 

[Manopolus]

Probably a race of giants did exist several thousand years ago. Most likely their bones were made of a quickly degrading material that does not fossilize and thus there is no evidence they ever existed.

I am not a Christian, and thus can not speak for them, but...

Claiming the absence of such a thing in the fossil record as proof that no such beings existed is a bit ridiculous, considering the offhand rejection of "missing link" arguments from the other side.

We do not possess the fossilized remains of every creature that ever existed. It wouldn't have to be made of "special material" of any sort to be absent.

All that said, I do not think that there is any logical reason whatsoever to take The Bible at its word. Some people do, but they are clearly wrong in doing so.

 

[Meadmaker]

Wow. I saw this on my subscriptions page, and I was very surprised to see who had started this thread. I had absolutely no memory of it.

 

[dlorde]

Don't you mean "well" endowed?

Only if 'well' endowed means very small (for a giant)...

Also, I don't recall giants getting on board that boat in any of the modern retellings nor did I read about it while back in my Christian High School. Surely they wouldn't have left anything important like that out...right?

You'd have to ask them. If only the occupants of the ark survived the flood, and these giants were around, they must have been on the ark - QED

Or maybe it's just a fairy story.

 

[Scott Haley]

Genesis 6:1–6
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God (bene Elohim) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God (bene Elohim) came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

To me this doesn't say that the children of the Sons of God were the Nephilim, just that the Nephilim were around in those days. It says that God's grandsons were mighty men.

 

[dlorde]

To me this doesn't say that the children of the Sons of God were the Nephilim, just that the Nephilim were around in those days.

But where did they come from if:

"all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark" (Genesis 7:21-23).

It doesn't really matter, because none of it holds together anyway. It's just one more contradiction...

 

[Scott Haley]

From Genesis chapter 6:

19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.

It sounds like, whatever Nephilim are, Noah would have to bring two of them.

 

[dlorde]

It sounds like, whatever Nephilim are, Noah would have to bring two of them.

Yes; no thought for genetic diversity in those days. Odd that there's no trace of a genetic bottleneck around that time in all species today

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

But where did they come from if:

"all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark" (Genesis 7:21-23).

It doesn't really matter, because none of it holds together anyway. It's just one more contradiction...

Easy Peasy: The Nephilim were mouth breathers.

 

[dlorde]

Easy Peasy: The Nephilim were mouth breathers.

Doesn't that come under "every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground..." ?

 

[Empress]

Easy Peasy: The Nephilim were mouth breathers.

Nommed for Pith.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Doesn't that come under "every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground..." ?

OK. OK. So they were Floating Mouth Breathers. This apologetics thing is really hard. No wonder everyone thinks the Jesuits were smart.