Former truther here.....please don't eat me

[Darth Rotor]

When in doubt just resort to 'troofer mockery' and the gang will applaud you. It's what they do best.

While I don't much care for you, there is more than a grain of truth in that.

Keep in mind their leader is Binglybert Slaptyback. Suck up to him and you've got it made.

MM

Unlike Dylan, who will ban you for crossing him, Binglybert Slaptyback is not a mod and won't do much to or for anyone, since he's just a poster, not a "power" on the board.

DR

 

[T.A.M.]

Well thank you....now share "da luv".

TAM

 

[LibraryLady]

Welcome home, JD.

At take your feet off the coffee table.

 

[pagan]

My name's Jeff. I used to post in the Loose Change forums (as jdhammer as well) back when they were at a different site (different host?). And yes, I <sigh> was a truther at one point. My story is all too familiar to you guys I'm sure. I saw Loose Change, recognized a lot of it as BS but somehow clung onto the idea that they might be onto something. I think a big part of it was the fact that I thought some of the people on the Loose Change boards knew what they were talking about. Don't ask me why, but I did. So I guess there was some imagined credibility that I applied to the folk there, and I spiralled down into a strange and dark pit that I don't care to revisit.

When I started to wake up (in the intelligent sense, not the truther sense), I started to ask questions on the LC boards. I started to point things out, and basically shine the spotlight on things that truthers don't want a light shone on. It wasn't long before I was attacked from all sides simply for trying to be reasonable about the arguments being made on the boards. One moment in particular I remember (probably close to a year ago now) was when someone else was doing something similar (being reasonable, polite, and challenging the truther theories) - I believe it was actually someone from these boards and I ended up having a little PM exchange with him after we both got ripped apart. That was a defining moment in my turnaround from potential conspiracy nut to reaffirmed critical thinker. If you are in fact on these boards and come across this post, send me a message - It was an honor to be hung next to you on the LC boards.

I know you've all heard this story before, but I thought I'd say hello and provide you all with my background on my first post. After hearing "JREF" thrown around like a term used to describe murderous baby rapists, I poked around the site and I can honestly say I think I've found my new home. While it looks like these boards have their fair share of characters (like any), it looks like there is reasonable debate going on for the most part. My brain is excited.

 

[ConspiRaider]

Keep in mind their leader is Binglybert Slaptyback. Suck up to him and you've got it made.

MM

Which reminds me. We're painting Gravy's house this Spring and I've gotta fly out to NYC to show him color samples. And I hope he likes Scottish single malt, I'm only bringing one case of it back with me...

 

[Brainache]

Because CHF I know how to follow the rules, written and unwritten.

I'm sure I've come awfully close to being banned here though.

"Implicating FDNY"?

I have nothing bad to say about FDNY! I have far more respect for them then the NYPD.

In all sincerity, I quite understand how painful 9/11 must have been for the NYFD and I do not fault or criticize them whatsoever!

It's all spin. JREF skeptics interpret firefighter quotes one way and truth seekers like myself accept those quotes as being honest but we also place them in context with the day's events.

I know it's hard to listen to an opposing point of view once you've made up your mind, especially about something as serious as 9/11.

The collapse of WTC7 goes beyond any explanation the NYFD made. It's not like they declared it would collapse the way it did. They saw what happened to WTC 1 & 2 and they were pre-disposed to accept the same from WTC7. I'm sure if I had been a firefighter on the scene I would have made the same claim. Hell I would have been ready for every building in the WTC complex to do the same.

WTC7 collapsed symmetrically at freefall speed virtually into it's own footprint..not one firefighter was quoted as expecting that!

MM

So MM, is this you "thinking outside the box"?

It is unfortunate for you that the box contains logic evidence and science, so when you think outside of it you are just making stuff up. Not the best way to find the truth (although it seems to work for Truth).

Welcome JDHammer. Your story is a familiar one. One question: You say you quit the old LC Forum last year before the big implosion, why wait til now to sign up here?

Sorry if I seem a bit skeptical, but well, it's the nature of the JREF beast I'm afraid.

 

[beachnut]

Is this what you think about all the facts you have presented?

 

[T.A.M.]

I guess he was lost for words, and resorted to "smilie" language.

TAM

 

[Miragememories]

Thanks for your insight. I realize that not everyone on these boards is going to be dedicated to reasonable debate. Just like the way it is at LC. There are prejudiced folk here, and prejudiced folk there. The reason I am here is because there is clearly a place for reasonable debate. When I tried to spark reasonable debate at LC, I was lynched. At the LC boards, people THINK they're having reasonable debate, but what they are actually doing is debating amongst themselves....a dangerous method. How can you have a reasonable debate when you automatically reject people who state they disagree with the conspiracy theory?

And I do, in fact, still look at WTC 7 and scratch my head. The difference is that I don't automatically assume it means 9/11 was planned by the US government. Even if Larry Silverstein did have some sort of hand in bringing the building down, wouldn't that chalk up more to one man's greed than an entire administration's evil? Also, if the people at LC would give the "pull it" thing a rest I'd have a little more respect for them. Give me a break. IF there was a conspiracy, and IF that was any sort of a confession, it would never have been allowed to air. Ever.

I find your comment on acceptance extremely insulting, by the way. If you have to resort to that kind of thing, then I'm glad you're stuck in the intellectual nightmare you're in right now.

And an interesting side note......if you'd like to see a carbon copy of the ignorance on the Loose Change boards, look for a message board on the Flat Earth theory. I went there once, and I couldn't believe the parallels. Absolutely hilarious. You guys should team up.

Well there is the expression; "you can run but you can't hide."

I know LC has it's fill of a**holes. Keep in mind that anyone, any age, any background..whatever, can join these forums. Don't think that JREF is utopia because it's not, the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC.

Regarding WTC7. I don't obsess on Silverstein's remarks. But, if you have doubts about Silverstein, don't expect any support here. There is much more to support the case that WTC7 wasn't a natural occurence as a result of fire and debris damage. My point is, JREF diehards are so close-minded you won't ever seem them express a doubt, because they fear being ostracized by the group. I hope you are comfortable with that level of bigotry?

Yes my comment on acceptance was insulting. It was in response to your naive embracing of the JREF welcome. I truly hope you retain your own identity here..it won't be easy.

MM

 

[Gravy]

Welcome, jdhammer, and thanks for sharing your story.

Once every couple of months, I come across a quote that is so so completely divorced from reality that I have no choice but to remind the poster that lies kill kittens. Unfortunately, such a quote has been printed by a habitual liar in your first thread.

It's all spin. JREF skeptics interpret firefighter quotes one way and truth seekers like myself accept those quotes as being honest but we also place them in context with the day's events.

I'm sorry you had to see that.
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[jdhammer]

Welcome JDHammer. Your story is a familiar one. One question: You say you quit the old LC Forum last year before the big implosion, why wait til now to sign up here?

Sorry if I seem a bit skeptical, but well, it's the nature of the JREF beast I'm afraid.

I totally expected this, and I won't blame anyone for being skeptical. I know this kind of thing goes on back and forth between the two forums (espionage, so to speak), so it's no surprise that people have questions.

Basically, I was involved with the LC boards a long time ago. Then, when I was put off by their type, I kind of weaned myself off the boards there. In fact, I left the whole 9/11 thing alone for a long time......it probably had something to do with my watching "An Inconvenient Truth" - I became heavily involved in the Climate Change issue (and I still am.....so I'll be hanging out where the climate change guys are)

I never even thought about coming onto the JREF boards when I first stopped posting at LC. Honestly, I just didn't take the time to find out what JREF actually was. I've been lurking at the LC boards on and off for a month or so now, and after seeing JREF a million more times, I decided it was time to find out more. And like I said, I browsed the website (I really like the million dollar challenge thing) and decided I'd join the forum. The aims of JREF are right up my alley.

To tell you the truth, I don't even really want to talk about the 9/11 thing anymore. I'm not here to argue against (or work covertly for) the truthers at all. I thought since my initial discovery of JREF was a result of my involvement in the truth movement, I'd start off my adventure on these boards that way.

You'll find that I'm far more interested in other sections of this forum......in fact this will probably be the only thread I post in in the conspiracy section.

 

[T.A.M.]

Well there is the expression; "you can run but you can't hide."

I know LC has it's fill of a**holes. Keep in mind that anyone, any age, any background..whatever, can join these forums. Don't think that JREF is utopia because it's not, the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC.

I dislike that word...uglier. I do not think it is uglier, but we are much more critical and skeptical for sure, and it you come in openly flaunting the woo...it can get nasty.

Regarding WTC7. I don't obsess on Silverstein's remarks. But, if you have doubts about Silverstein, don't expect any support here. There is much more to support the case that WTC7 wasn't a natural occurence as a result of fire and debris damage. My point is, JREF diehards are so close-minded you won't ever seem them express a doubt, because they fear being ostracized by the group. I hope you are comfortable with that level of bigotry?

All we ask for is proof, evidence. If you want to express an opinion, you are right in the sense that the opinions that most JREFers agree with will likely get you less flack than those that don't. That is true of any forum that has a majority thinking in a given way.

Yes my comment on acceptance was insulting. It was in response to your naive embracing of the JREF welcome. I truly hope you retain your own identity here..it won't be easy.
MM

funny, I don't respond to naivity with insult. On the contrary, when someone comes in here asking LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS, we often try to help. Yes, we do get suspicious over obvious naivety, because it is often the first sign of the "Mark of Woo" but in any given case, only time and observance will tell us if the naivety is genuine, or a ploy...

TAM

 

[A W Smith]

Looks like its the troothers on this thread who are trying to eat you alive JDHammer. I guess you were right about the mindset of the troothers at LC in your opening post. Looks like they followed you here.

EDIT; Check that. they didn't follow you here they were here already but it sure didn't take them long to leap on this thread.

 

[T.A.M.]

I totally expected this, and I won't blame anyone for being skeptical. I know this kind of thing goes on back and forth between the two forums (espionage, so to speak), so it's no surprise that people have questions.

Basically, I was involved with the LC boards a long time ago. Then, when I was put off by their type, I kind of weaned myself off the boards there. In fact, I left the whole 9/11 thing alone for a long time......it probably had something to do with my watching "An Inconvenient Truth" - I became heavily involved in the Climate Change issue.

I never even thought about coming onto the JREF boards when I first stopped posting at LC. Honestly, I just didn't take the time to find out what JREF actually was. I've been lurking at the LC boards on and off for a month or so now, and after seeing JREF a million more times, I decided it was time to find out more. And like I said, I browsed the website (I really like the million dollar challenge thing) and decided I'd join the forum. The aims of JREF are right up my alley.

To tell you the truth, I don't even really want to talk about the 9/11 thing anymore. I'm not here to argue against (or work covertly for) the truthers at all. I thought since my initial discovery of JREF was a result of my involvement in the truth movement, I'd start off my adventure on these boards that way.

You'll find that I'm far more interested in other sections of this forum......in fact this will probably be the only thread I post in in the conspiracy section.

Refreshing...I occasionally delve into the medicine subforum...never to the politics one...lol

TAM

 

[ConspiRaider]

I totally expected this, and I won't blame anyone for being skeptical. I know this kind of thing goes on back and forth between the two forums (espionage, so to speak), so it's no surprise that people have questions.

Basically, I was involved with the LC boards a long time ago. Then, when I was put off by their type, I kind of weaned myself off the boards there. In fact, I left the whole 9/11 thing alone for a long time......it probably had something to do with my watching "An Inconvenient Truth" - I became heavily involved in the Climate Change issue (and I still am.....so I'll be hanging out where the climate change guys are)

I never even thought about coming onto the JREF boards when I first stopped posting at LC. Honestly, I just didn't take the time to find out what JREF actually was. I've been lurking at the LC boards on and off for a month or so now, and after seeing JREF a million more times, I decided it was time to find out more. And like I said, I browsed the website (I really like the million dollar challenge thing) and decided I'd join the forum. The aims of JREF are right up my alley.

To tell you the truth, I don't even really want to talk about the 9/11 thing anymore. I'm not here to argue against (or work covertly for) the truthers at all. I thought since my initial discovery of JREF was a result of my involvement in the truth movement, I'd start off my adventure on these boards that way.

You'll find that I'm far more interested in other sections of this forum......in fact this will probably be the only thread I post in in the conspiracy section.

Good stuff, JD.

And, you'll be happy to know that there are Global Warming Deniers right here at JREF, if you look hard enough. Gore haters too, for bringing the message to the fore. Eat 'em up! I rather enjoy taking them on myself.

 

[jdhammer]

Yes my comment on acceptance was insulting. It was in response to your naive embracing of the JREF welcome. I truly hope you retain your own identity here..it won't be easy.

Whoa whoa whoa.....

"Hey JD, welcome to the boards"

"Easy there. I don't appreciate the kind words you're using. Perhaps we should wait a bit before exchanging pleasantries....."

Is that what you're looking for?

 

[Stellafane]

...the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC.

Really? Why do you say that? Because we might, horror of horrors, disagree with you and ask you to back up your statements with facts? On the other hand, at LC you get banned for the most innocuous of questions, or you get called a murderer, or threatened with physical assault or getting shot with a gun. Nothing ugly about that of course, it's all in good fun, right?

But keep it up. You're probably making jdhammer feel far happier that he left the "truth movement" than any JREF member ever could.

 

[Brainache]

I totally expected this, and I won't blame anyone for being skeptical. I know this kind of thing goes on back and forth between the two forums (espionage, so to speak), so it's no surprise that people have questions.

Basically, I was involved with the LC boards a long time ago. Then, when I was put off by their type, I kind of weaned myself off the boards there. In fact, I left the whole 9/11 thing alone for a long time......it probably had something to do with my watching "An Inconvenient Truth" - I became heavily involved in the Climate Change issue (and I still am.....so I'll be hanging out where the climate change guys are)

I never even thought about coming onto the JREF boards when I first stopped posting at LC. Honestly, I just didn't take the time to find out what JREF actually was. I've been lurking at the LC boards on and off for a month or so now, and after seeing JREF a million more times, I decided it was time to find out more. And like I said, I browsed the website (I really like the million dollar challenge thing) and decided I'd join the forum. The aims of JREF are right up my alley.

To tell you the truth, I don't even really want to talk about the 9/11 thing anymore. I'm not here to argue against (or work covertly for) the truthers at all. I thought since my initial discovery of JREF was a result of my involvement in the truth movement, I'd start off my adventure on these boards that way.

You'll find that I'm far more interested in other sections of this forum......in fact this will probably be the only thread I post in in the conspiracy section.

OK no worries. I seem to be stuck in this subforum mostly. I do enjoy the paranormal and general skepticism one as well. In fact they are all pretty interesting, but enter the realm of Politics at your own risk.

BTW it may have been me that you PMed over at the old LC board during the great JDX/Billzilla flame war of '06. My memory is a bit hazy, but I do recall a PM from someone saying that not all Truthers are like JohnDoeX and Jennabell.

 

[Darth Rotor]

You'll find that I'm far more interested in other sections of this forum......in fact this will probably be the only thread I post in in the conspiracy section.

Good move. I highly recommend you follow up on that thought. Better fare elsewhere. The Science, Math, and Technology board is outf___ing standing.

Miragememories
Yes my comment on acceptance was insulting. It was in response to your naive embracing of the JREF welcome. I truly hope you retain your own identity here..it won't be easy.

jdhammer
Whoa whoa whoa.....

"Hey JD, welcome to the boards"

"Easy there. I don't appreciate the kind words you're using. Perhaps we should wait a bit before exchanging pleasantries....."

Is that what you're looking for?

jd 1
mm 0.



DR

 

[A W Smith]

Really? Why do you say that? Because we might, horror of horrors, disagree with you and ask you to back up your statements with facts? On the other hand, at LC you get banned for the most innocuous of questions, or you get called a murderer, or threatened with physical assault or getting shot with a gun. Nothing ugly about that of course, it's all in good fun, right?

But keep it up. You're probably making jdhammer feel far happier that he left the "truth movement" than any JREF member ever could.

Yes MerrieMelodies and pagan. By all means. Please keep up the postings! What you post confirms he made a good decision.