Former truther here.....please don't eat me

welcome JDHAMMER ... this is WELCOME thread mirage and scooby. Please take your rhetoric to the many other threads you've abandoned because you aren't willing to face the facts.

JDHAMMER, just ignore them in this thread, and refer them to the many abandoned threads that they left unanswered questions in.
 
'Toe the line' and you will do well here jdhammer.

When in doubt just resort to 'troofer mockery' and the gang will applaud you. It's what they do best.

There's a reason why post counts here are so much greater than on LC. These folks feed on one-liners and attacks on those who dare disagree with them.

You may think you are at home in this..cough cough.. land of enlightenment, but it's really another forum filled with prejudiced individuals who are afraid to think outside of the box.

I am amazed that you can look at the collapse of WTC7 and not still scratch your head?

Well I guess acceptance at any price is more important to you.

Keep in mind their leader is Binglybert Slaptyback. Suck up to him and you've got it made.

MM

I agree.
This forum is made up of mostly conventional thinkers not critical thinkers.
 
I agree.
This forum is made up of mostly conventional thinkers not critical thinkers.


sorry. YOu must be thinking about LOOSE CHANGE forums. All I've seen here are nothing but critical thinkers.

To be critical, you must provide support of your claims and those that are critical of your claims provides support of what they say.


YOU and scooby, lyte, mirage, and the many truthers who have graced this forum has yet to provide support of your claims.

when are you going to do so?
 
What I CAN tell you, though, is that in my case there was definitely a reluctance to "switch sides". I don't profess to be a genius at all, but I like to consider myself a fairly bright guy, and I guess my thought process went something like "Well, you fell into the conspiracy trap, you dumba**. You've already invested brain power into the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing, so how can you possibly get out of this without egg on your face." I believe there are plenty of "truthers" that are in the same position, and are unwilling to fight against what they are/were passionately a part of.
What they need to realize is that saying, "OK, I was wrong," doesn't put egg on their face; it wipes it off.
 
What kills the "truth movement" for me is there focus on insane things like the NWO, the Illuminati, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Holocaust, Chemtrails, etc etc.

If they were sane people who just cared about 9-11...I might have stayed interested. But insanity doesn't interest me..and their beliefs...are insane.
 
Well hellaeon your desperate ignorance of the truth only reveals how pathetic this forum has become.

Without LC to feed on, you folks are just withering on the vine.

MM

Ok, no worries, now go ahead, show me the truth and why I should distrust the official theory, show me why I am ignorant and the forum is pathetic.

Please I am all ears. We all are.
 
Well there is the expression; "you can run but you can't hide."

I know LC has it's fill of a**holes. Keep in mind that anyone, any age, any background..whatever, can join these forums. Don't think that JREF is utopia because it's not, the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC.

Regarding WTC7. I don't obsess on Silverstein's remarks. But, if you have doubts about Silverstein, don't expect any support here. There is much more to support the case that WTC7 wasn't a natural occurence as a result of fire and debris damage. My point is, JREF diehards are so close-minded you won't ever seem them express a doubt, because they fear being ostracized by the group. I hope you are comfortable with that level of bigotry?

Yes my comment on acceptance was insulting. It was in response to your naive embracing of the JREF welcome. I truly hope you retain your own identity here..it won't be easy.

MM

Right-on bro.
Bolding mine
 
Whoa whoa whoa.....

"Hey JD, welcome to the boards"

"Easy there. I don't appreciate the kind words you're using. Perhaps we should wait a bit before exchanging pleasantries....."

Is that what you're looking for?

mmmmmmm! Who's cooking bacon??

Oh, its Miragememories. Darn, bacon would have been so good right now...
 
Right-on bro.
Bolding mine

Rii-ight. We're close minded 'cause we don't buy into invisible, unheard, undocumented, uncharacteristic, unreported, non-exploding, fire-starting imaginary missiles fired at jets striking WTC7 before the main towers collapsed.

That's not closed minded, missile-boy, that is called SANITY.
 
Aren't we contradicting ourselves a bit here?

- They saw what happened to WTC 1 & 2, and they were pre-disposed to accept the same from WTC 7.

- Not one firefighter was quoted as expecting that (implying they would NOT accept the same from WTC 7?)
You will do well here, young padwan!
 
sorry. YOu must be thinking about LOOSE CHANGE forums. All I've seen here are nothing but critical thinkers.

To be critical, you must provide support of your claims and those that are critical of your claims provides support of what they say.


YOU and scooby, lyte, mirage, and the many truthers who have graced this forum has yet to provide support of your claims.

when are you going to do so?

I have backed up my claims and provided links.
Here are a few, remember?

Supportive links to The Missiles at Ground Zero

Response from Otis Air National Guard Base:

"Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base," cooperativeresearch.org
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....onal_guard_base
"Otis Fighters Scramble to New York; Conflicting Accounts of Urgency and Destination," cooperativeresearch.org
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...a852otistakeoff

Newark NJ air traffic controller, Bob Varcapade, said the fighters were over New York City moments after the second plane crashed in to WTC 2.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

Film of missile taken by Gedeon Naudet at the corner of Broadway and Vesey Street.
http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews...a/3/flash91.htm

Reporter tells CNN some saw a missile.

QUOTE UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jim, I don't know whether we've confirmed that this was an aircraft, or to be more specific, some people said they thought they saw a missile. I don't know how people could differentiate, but we might keep open the possibility that this was a missile attack on these buildings.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

Mysterious explosion and white cloud at 9:04 am:
http://911studies.com/911photostudies119.htm

Unexplained 9/11 Explosion at WTC Complex," by Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press, July 10, 2004.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm

Eyewitnesses to WTC 7 missile hit.

QUOTE After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.

http://www.record-eagle.com/2001/sep/11scene.htm

NIST diagram of damage area on the 14th floor of WTC 7
http://oceanmirage.homestead.com/files/wtc7damage.jpg
 
A missile hit WTC7????

Please....can we get some better opposition already?
 
Says the Holocaust denier. :rolleyes:

This is because the Holocaust is a taboo subject.

Which would be more outrageous to you, someone doubting the story of the Holocaust or the divinity of Jesus Christ?
 
This is because the Holocaust is a taboo subject.

Which would be more outrageous to you, someone doubting the story of the Holocaust or the divinity of Jesus Christ?
That is plain unadulterated STUPID.
 
I agree.
This forum is made up of mostly conventional thinkers not critical thinkers.

The two are not mutually exclusive Magz.

Here, the convention is to be critical. Critical of unfounded, unsupported, unintelligent, untruths (homage to kookbreakers line).

I think we should rename them the 9/11 "untruth" movement.

TAM:)
 
I’d also like to say “Welcome!” to you, jdhammer. I think I remember your name from the old Loose Change forum, but I do not remember you as being one of the utter nutters. :)

From the posts you’ve made here already, I’d say you’ll fit in very well here, and you have already provided valuable insight into the mind of a truther.

Don’t ever feel like you are an outsider for having once been a truther. You’ll find that lots of JREF members once believed in weird things - from psychic powers and astrology, to Bigfoot and aliens. Many skeptics, such as I, have had similar wake-up-moments to yours.

That moment can happen when you realise that the only thing holding your theory together is your will to believe it, rather than all the evidence in front of you.


LC forumites like to say that we’re closed-minded sheeple. They could not be more wrong. Skepticism is nothing to do with having fixed beliefs. Rather, it is the absence of superstition; the absence of Confirmation Bias; the absence of a pre-formed opinion. These absences allow the scientific testing of a hypothesis with an “open mind”, and, although that term has been tarnished by truthers and woo-woos alike, I’ve taken it back and given it a polish.

Skeptics are often knowledgeable people, in that they are aware of many facts, but, I am claiming, it is an absence of beliefs that gives skeptics the ability to judge evidence based on its own merits. Truthers, as the clichéd X-files poster said, “want to believe”. Skeptics are free to learn.

/me wonders how she ended up on this soap-box.

Wake-up-moment stories remind us of their special feeling that is hard to describe. What seems to happen is that a light is switched on and facts simultaneously fall into place. These images settle into a clearer view of the world than we could have imagined. Many of us have experienced big wake-up-moments, but I, for one, also feel a bit like that when reading, for example, Gumboot’s recent post, or many of T.A.M.’s or Arkan Wolfshade’s posts – I love it when the facts fall into place.

Again, welcome, jdhammer. I’m glad to have you amongst us, and to have heard your story.
 

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