Can this qualify as a challenge?

[Burner]

Dear Loss Leader and Fellow Forumers,
Would you believe that World War III will start not in the Middle East but in the Philippines? At Spratly Islands in particular.
Would you believe that human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes?
Would you believe that human baby (or babies) will be born with horns?
Would you believe that woman (or women) will give birth to kitten and cat (or cats) will give birth to human being (human beings)?

Awsome.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Jackalgirl and Fellow Forumers,

Thank you for your suggested protocols. I wish JREF takes into consideration your suggestions if the spirit agree to the test. I also wish that all of you be present during the test.

Hopefully, I will receive next week by e-mail or week after next by snail mail the reply of the spirit. I will immediately let you know of His reply.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

PeaceCrusader, I await your next post with the reply you were talking about. I already have some more suggestions to simplify and tighten the protocol; as well as a couple of questions.

May I suggest you focus your postings in this thread strictly on the Challenge Application?

If you wish to discuss anything else, your posts indicate that the subforum "Religion and Philosophy" would likely be more appropriate.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Regarding GOTACURAL, the spirit already confirmed in 1986 that it is AIDS that He named GOTACURAL in 1979. If you think it is not, it is up to you. Only you can convince yourself if it is true or not.

Why didn't the spirit correctly name it AIDS?

 

[Doc Daneeka]

Dear Doc Daneeka and Fellow Forumers,



You would only be the one who would be satisfied if the spirit names the object in your bag. On the other hand, many, many people would be satisfied if the spirit is able to name what are in sealed boxes as Jeff Wagg suggested and the protocol suggested by several other forumers.

Would it be all right with you to be one of those many, many people?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

This really doesn't matter. There's just no way that you'll choose to hazard a guess as to what is in my bag, and you won't hazard a guess as to what is in Randi's sealed box. This is because you know there's too high a chance you'd be wrong.

I would be much more impressed if you named the contents of my container than if you named what's in Randi's. That is because it would be personal. Something I can personally verify. Again, I know quite well that this 'spirit' of yours will choose not to bother. You'll probably just give us all some crap about how it requires faith rather than evidence. Alternatively, you may just draw this on for a long while, then vanish from the board.

So here's the challenge. Tell me what is in this small leather bag. It's sitting on top of my desk. To make it a bit easier, I've put a small piece of paper on it that says "this is the secret object". Surely that will help. Tell me what is in the bag, and I will probably start to believe in spirits.

Incidentally, last night I promised my sister that I'd give her a thousand dollars if you managed to come up with the answer. Mind you, it's a thousand bucks Canadian, but it's still money. I estimate about a one in a billion chance that I'll have to pay her anything.

You have three days left. Please, please tell me what's in the bag. You'd really impress me.

 

[Doc Daneeka]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Jackalgirl and Fellow Forumers,

Thank you for your suggested protocols. I wish JREF takes into consideration your suggestions if the spirit agree to the test. I also wish that all of you be present during the test.

Hopefully, I will receive next week by e-mail or week after next by snail mail the reply of the spirit. I will immediately let you know of His reply.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

The spirit emails you? Can I have the address it sends from? I would sure love to know the ip used by Jesus.

 

[Burner]

The spirit emails you? Can I have the address it sends from? I would sure love to know the ip used by Jesus.

Seriously, why go trough the hassle of traveling from the spiritual realm, possessing some schmoe and muttering uninteligable crap when you can just send an email? I like this spirit already.

As for your other request maybe this adress can help: Jesus@yahoo.com. Not sure if it's the guy you're looking for but you can try.

 

[Pro7]

This really doesn't matter. There's just no way that you'll choose to hazard a guess as to what is in my bag, and you won't hazard a guess as to what is in Randi's sealed box. This is because you know there's too high a chance you'd be wrong.

I would be much more impressed if you named the contents of my container than if you named what's in Randi's. That is because it would be personal. Something I can personally verify. Again, I know quite well that this 'spirit' of yours will choose not to bother. You'll probably just give us all some crap about how it requires faith rather than evidence. Alternatively, you may just draw this on for a long while, then vanish from the board.

So here's the challenge. Tell me what is in this small leather bag. It's sitting on top of my desk. To make it a bit easier, I've put a small piece of paper on it that says "this is the secret object". Surely that will help. Tell me what is in the bag, and I will probably start to believe in spirits.

Incidentally, last night I promised my sister that I'd give her a thousand dollars if you managed to come up with the answer. Mind you, it's a thousand bucks Canadian, but it's still money. I estimate about a one in a billion chance that I'll have to pay her anything.

You have three days left. Please, please tell me what's in the bag. You'd really impress me.

HEY..

I said in the other forum topics, its a "Luciano Pavarotti" musical audio CD in Randi's sealed box... haha..

In your small leather bag, you got cat nip in it ! lol

 

[Pro7]

Why didn't the spirit correctly name it AIDS?

Well.. "AIDS" has been around for thousands of years, its just now being surfaced as being recognized by the scientific community for it's increased intensity. I would refer that to the "blood painting on doors" back in moses's time.

"GOTACURAL" sounds like "GOTABANG!"

 

[Cuddles]

Who do you think can make these happen?

Ringo Starr. Am I right?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Cuddles and Fellow Forumers,

I wrote earlier: Who do you think can make these (the prophecies) happen?

Ringo Starr. Am I right?

Do you think Ringo Starr has the power to make them happen? Or any human being for that matter?

When, not if, the three-eyed baby is born, then, that will be a fulfillment of one of the prophecies of the spirit. I hope you will believe. Will trying to name what are inside sealed boxes still needed? As I said earlier, that will be very easy to the spirit. Since He is a spirit, you cannot hide from Him even though you are in a closed room with all windows shut and lights are out and you are under a blanket, the spirit can still see you and hear you.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Dear Cuddles and Fellow Forumers,

I wrote earlier: Who do you think can make these (the prophecies) happen?



Do you think Ringo Starr has the power to make them happen? Or any human being for that matter?

When, not if, the three-eyed baby is born, then, that will be a fulfillment of one of the prophecies of the spirit. I hope you will believe. Will trying to name what are inside sealed boxes still needed? As I said earlier, that will be very easy to the spirit. Since He is a spirit, you cannot hide from Him even though you are in a closed room with all windows shut and lights are out and you are under a blanket, the spirit can still see you and hear you.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

The "spirit" will have ample opportunity to prove what you claim, PeaceCrusader, after the "spirit" agrees to what you have proposed.

Do you have any new information as to the "spirit's" approval of said test?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

Seriously, why go trough the hassle of traveling from the spiritual realm, possessing some schmoe and muttering uninteligable crap when you can just send an email? I like this spirit already.

I do not know the email address of any of the listeners in the Philippines. But I know the address of the medium or the channel. It is to her that I sent the letter last week. She may ask one of her children to email or send a snail mail to me containing the reply of the spirit. I promise that as soon as I receive the reply, I will relay it to you.

I got good tape recordings of the sessions. You may visit my website to read some of the messages or sermons of the spirit which I translated from the original Pilipino text to English. Some are as long as three or four pages, single space. Are they "unintelligible crap"?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Little 10 Toes and Fellow Forumers,

I wrote earlier that Little 10 Toes quoted:
Regarding GOTACURAL, the spirit already confirmed in 1986 that it is AIDS that He named GOTACURAL in 1979. If you think it is not, it is up to you. Only you can convince yourself if it is true or not.

Why didn't the spirit correctly name it AIDS?

I do not know why the spirit did not name it AIDS but I believe the name GOTACURAL gives us a hint of what the disease connotes.

If you doubt the prophecy because the disease was not directly named AIDS, how about the incredible prophecies that He revealed which are very specific, such as babies with three eyes, human being giving birth to babies with horns, human being giving birth to kitten, and cat giving birth to human being? When, not if, these happen, will you believe?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Fellow Forumers,

The "spirit" will have ample opportunity to prove what you claim, PeaceCrusader, after the "spirit" agrees to what you have proposed.

Do you have any new information as to the "spirit's" approval of said test?

I sent a letter to the medium or channel last week. I do not know whether she has received it already.

Rest assured that as soon as I receive the reply, I will relay it to you. I am hoping that He will agree to prove to you that what I say about Him is true.

Would you like to talk to the spirit directly? I am inviting you to go to the channel's place in the Philippines and request that you wish to talk to the spirit. Prepare all your questions and don't forget to bring your audio tape recorder, or better still, a video recorder. I can give to you the channel's address, if you wish.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Pro7 and Fellow Forumers,

Well.. "AIDS" has been around for thousands of years, its just now being surfaced as being recognized by the scientific community for it's increased intensity. I would refer that to the "blood painting on doors" back in moses's time.

"GOTACURAL" sounds like "GOTABANG!"

Do we have to go back to Moses' time? That's more than 3000 years ago!

The first case of AIDS was in 1980. After 20 years, in the year 2000, millions have been infected and millions also have died. Now, let us suppose that AIDS first came out in 1960 (20 years before 1980). Don't you think that by 1980, millions would have been infected and died? Was this the case?

AIDS immediately came out after the spirit gave the prophecy in 1979. The prophecy, one of 19, was published in the Sunday magazine supplement of the Manila daily in March 1980. Can you accept its publication as proof that AIDS was revealed prior to its occurrence?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Doc Daneeka and Fellow Forumers,

This really doesn't matter. There's just no way that you'll choose to hazard a guess as to what is in my bag, and you won't hazard a guess as to what is in Randi's sealed box. This is because you know there's too high a chance you'd be wrong.

I would be much more impressed if you named the contents of my container than if you named what's in Randi's. That is because it would be personal. Something I can personally verify. Again, I know quite well that this 'spirit' of yours will choose not to bother. You'll probably just give us all some crap about how it requires faith rather than evidence. Alternatively, you may just draw this on for a long while, then vanish from the board.

So here's the challenge. Tell me what is in this small leather bag. It's sitting on top of my desk. To make it a bit easier, I've put a small piece of paper on it that says "this is the secret object". Surely that will help. Tell me what is in the bag, and I will probably start to believe in spirits.

Incidentally, last night I promised my sister that I'd give her a thousand dollars if you managed to come up with the answer. Mind you, it's a thousand bucks Canadian, but it's still money. I estimate about a one in a billion chance that I'll have to pay her anything.

You have three days left. Please, please tell me what's in the bag. You'd really impress me.

As I said earlier, I can talk to the spirit only when I go to the Philippines. Since I am in Australia, I have to send the request through mail. The decision whether the spirit would agree to your request or not is up to Him and not me.

In my reply to GzuzKryzt, I wrote that if you wish to talk to the spirit directly, why don't you go to the channel in the Philippines and ask all your prepared questions with your audio tape recorder or video recorder to record your session with Him? Don't worry. It will not cost you anything. If you wish to give anything to the woman, it is up to you. If none, no problem. It's all voluntary.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Fellow Forumers,



I sent a letter to the medium or channel last week. I do not know whether she has received it already.

Rest assured that as soon as I receive the reply, I will relay it to you. I am hoping that He will agree to prove to you that what I say about Him is true.

Would you like to talk to the spirit directly? I am inviting you to go to the channel's place in the Philippines and request that you wish to talk to the spirit. Prepare all your questions and don't forget to bring your audio tape recorder, or better still, a video recorder. I can give to you the channel's address, if you wish.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Since I neither believe nor don't believe in "spirits", I thankfully decline your offer, PeaceCrusader.

A simple demonstration of the "spirit's" alleged ability - by e.g. telling the correct content of the aforementioned 10 boxes - will suffice for me.

 

[Cuddles]

The first case of AIDS was in 1980. After 20 years, in the year 2000, millions have been infected and millions also have died. Now, let us suppose that AIDS first came out in 1960 (20 years before 1980). Don't you think that by 1980, millions would have been infected and died? Was this the case?

Actually, the first know case of infection with HIV was in 1959. AIDS was known as a disease by the late 1970s and gay men in the USA and Sweden were known to have it in 1978, although it was not yet called AIDS.

Do you think Ringo Starr has the power to make them happen? Or any human being for that matter?

I asked you first. Is Ringo Starr the person who has the power to make these things happen?

 

[Loss Leader]

If you doubt the prophecy because the disease was not directly named AIDS, how about the incredible prophecies that He revealed which are very specific, such as babies with three eyes, human being giving birth to babies with horns, human being giving birth to kitten, and cat giving birth to human being? When, not if, these happen, will you believe?

You speak about these things as though we should be impressed just with the fact that this prophesy exists. Since none of it has come true (and since your best prophesy, GOTACURAL, was wrong) you have not yet provided any evidence of any supernatural being. Nor is the fact that an old woman talks to a group of people in the Philipines evidence of anything.

If you want us to believe now, give us something we can test now.

Also, learn a little bit about epidemiology. Infectious diseases can start slowly - very slowly - and linger for decades before reaching the critical mass necessary to start an epidemic. Your logic in that matter was flawed beyond usefulness.

 

[Moochie]

Since I neither believe nor don't believe in "spirits", I thankfully decline your offer, PeaceCrusader.

A simple demonstration of the "spirit's" alleged ability - by e.g. telling the correct content of the aforementioned 10 boxes - will suffice for me.

And me!

Waiting, waiting, waiting...

M.

ETA: Haven't seen any cows as yet...