432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

[Dr Adequate]

Oh, look, it's a creationist numerologist.

* head explodes *

I was going to nominate some of this stuff for FSTDT, only I'm afraid they might reject it as too silly.

Can he be for real?

 

[SimonD]

But I guess even you,that believe in nothing and have nothing, have a right and a chance to hear about something or learn something before you go into your nothingness.

Sounds like someone I know who posts on this forum

If you breaks out of your bounds and actually starts thinking honestly, I may spend a little more time. Maybe just start a Golden Section as I don;t think even one of you knows its principles, I mean that you can NOT deny and negate. I take that back, you try follishly to negate everything into nothingness, as you aren't using your God given brains to figure out any mysteries.

Not to sure Jesus would post such a rude message

You are worse than a bunch of church people and more foolish than a bunch of adolescent teenagers. But while there is life there is hope, and I can't be accused of not trying.

Try to get your math right.

But you have educated me how immature most of you are. I don't know if it is because you don't know rules or have common respect or if your atheism gave you these lack of principles. Whatever your choice in life and your responsibility.

Study a little tonight if you can or dare or have the courage... and if not, stay as dumb as you are and think you know it all, and have it all, even though you believe in nothing.

Sincerely david

Immature posters use insults when they can't argue a point

Lack of principles - like lying about math and mis-quoting people

Dumb? - how far is the moon from the earth?

Courage - you are wrong about nearly everything you posted. Have the courage to admit this

 

[SezMe]

The umber for the MOON was rounded off to 216, in this case 2160 miles , ...

Those darn clever Egyptians, citing a number in miles when the unit "miles" did not even exist at that time.

 

[KingMerv00]

Terry I answered that previously, as the numbers are not mine, but the very basic foundation and cornerstone of sacred geometry.

Ok...but the number is wrong.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Ok, I can't get through this whole thread, but here are my thoughts so far.

I would really like to see an explanation for why you decided to pick some arbitrary units like miles and seconds for your amazing numerological fun-fest here.

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Johnny, you might have to put down your coffee a spell and do some further reading, before assuming that measurements are arbitrary. That might be what you want to believe, as you may want to believe your coffee gives you an edge on intelligence, but only sincere searching and an OPEN MIND gives you those connections.

Try http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/AcreandSacredTime.html

As miles are connected to the sacred furlong of the Lord, and was used by His angels and are part of the ratio system of the heavenly bodies we are talking about...

And shows we are designed to work and plow a certain amount in a day while there is time. Hope you are working on plowing the furrows of your mind as it was a commandment.

Since miles are a sacred measurement of the Lord, you should have no problem showing which verse of the bible mentions them.

Ah I see, are you are talking about piezoelectrical effects of crystals like sugar? This is a very cool phenomonon:


from http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/10/11/7/1

Is this the reason for the wintergreen Life Saver effect? I've always wondered about that.

See Johnny... you learned something already, as goyum means dumb sheep lead to the slaughter for lack of knowledge, so I have tried to help you and did at least teach you this. Pity, you didn;t have the time to stop drinking your coffee long enough to study.

I shan't be responding to you anymore.. Pity...

As has been pointed out, "goyim" means non-Jew. As a Jew myself, I've never heard it used in a really disparaging way. Generally only mildly disparaging, the same way you might use "putz" to describe a friend (another Yiddish word....check it out).

Since David Jay Jordan appreciated Crossbow's correction I thought I'd bring a few more errors to his attention.


How do we jump from 93,465,000 to 93,416? If you divide 93,465,000 by 216 you get 432,708.3.... If we remove the last 3 zeros for arbitrary reasons we get 432.708333.... Closer to 433 really. Even if we allow the sleight of mind in changing 93,465,000 to 93,416 when we divide the new value by 216 we get 432.481481....

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432,481 is close enough to 432.... and do remember the mileage changes with the revolution around the Sun of the Earth as no course set by the Lord is perfectly circular, there is a little variance.



Wait also til we get to the exact amount of time it takes for sun light at light speed to get HERE. 500 seconds, not by chance but by design.. That's the Tabernacle of the SUN/Son.. As Son and Sun are paraellels.

And Foster to make a mental note as light speed can be violated, slowed down and surpassed, which makes light years null and void... and many of the assumptions and supposed constants of supposed scientists now obsolete. More later, but let's continue...

Remember Rome wasn;t built in a day, and my proof is in the preponderance of 432 not just one measurement or diamter, distance or time frame. And so we have ten pages to go and all the hyperlinks to connect up... Or as the prophet Isaiah said, precept upon precept, line upon line...

First of all, with saying 432,481 being close enough to 432 you are off by a factor of 1000. How does that not matter? How does that convince anyone that you are of "the scientific type"? Secondly, you say that light takes exactly 500 seconds to get to the earth from the sun. At what point in the Earth's orbit are you measuring that? As you yourself said, the orbit is not circular, so the distance varies. Which means the time it takes light to travel here varies. (Surely you are not suggesting that the speed of light changes so as to leave the time consistent?!)

Well Fantastic. This thread's gonna be a barrel of laughs, I can see that right away.

First off, obviously there is some odd usage of "Perfection" going on, Since I'm pretty certain "Close enough" means "Not Perfect".

Second, browsing through those links, I'm hard pressed to find a number NOT considered "Divine" or "Holy" or "Great". Given that you can use pretty much any number, and the number of possible mathmatical operations, . I could Find a Alphanumeric-language word that can be reverse-engineered into a Divine number in my Alpha-Bits.

/derail/ This reminds me of a neat little proof that all numbers are interesting in some respect. Imagine for a moment that not all numbers are interesting. Now picture the smallest of that set of numbers. The fact that this number is the smallest of that set makes it interesting. Paradox, therefore the initial statement is false. Hence, all numbers are interesting. QED. /end derail/

Dictionary.com and Answers.com call it a disparaging term.

Check a Yiddish dictionary.

Ladewig, was catching it slightly when she or he gave another definition of goyum. As older Jews can be priviledged to study the Kaballah. So before you all start howling about the Tree of Life geometry, you shoudl really study and research for yewars and years why these Jews spend so much time going over, comtemplating and understanding the hexagonal tree of life, flower of life pattern. Why because it is the findamental template of all created matter, and hence it gives them great advantage intellectually over the dumb goyum who think they know it all.

Jerry, a non Christian gave me a glimpse of their knowledge with the Theory of Everything. So come on brethren and skeptics study before you complain about connecting laws when you want to believe the Theory that Nothing is Connected.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/T.html

So before posting without thinking, Now study for years the Kuballah like the jews.

Or maybe its because I have jewish heritage that I picked up the basics so easily. Its geometry folks, simple geometry that makes the comples underrstandable, but you have to do your homework.

Wow. I don't just have *some* Jewish heritage...I am fully Jewish, and I haven't the slightest clue you're talking about. The Jews are not hiding a Theory of Everything, and we don't spend our time contemplating the "hexagonal tree of life", whatever that is. Not only do you not have a clue what science and math are all about, but you don't have a clue what Judaism is all about either. Is there anything you *do* know??

 

[SezMe]

Is there anything you *do* know??

To quote the loquacious prewitt81, "Nope."

 

[Zep]

The umber for the MOON was rounded off to 216...

It was? I just tried phoning that number...the moon didn't answer, just our switchboard.

Guess what, DJJ! You have now earned the JREF "Universally Recognised Froot Loop Degree", plus the "Cute Kitty Badge". Next up is the "Delicious Recipes Shield", then the "Gene Ray Lookalike Memorial Desk Ornament", and the top of the heap being the "Sylvia Browne One Billion Suckers Trophy". Based on your performance so far, I'd say you will get the penultimate level easily enough, but the last one actually requires mathematical competency. So I'm betting you won't get that far before you give up...or hurt your brain.

 

[wollery]

Heart sometimes superceeds mind bruto, because the Lord has hidden truths from the so called wise and shown them to mere babes and the believeing. So Yes, maybe He has shown me these things cause I am in the process of taking them back for the Lord and His people. I have been a missionary all my life, so maybe he has connected up a few of the dots for me despite the fact that it should have been connected up by greater minds. Heck, I spent almost all my life on the mission field after university.

And I have a terrible memory as my wife can attest to, but I do figure out things because of a small still voice. You can mock if you like, not a problem, but shear brain power hardly ever works it takes openness and even inspiration and divine insight to solve some mysteries.

the Lord said seek and we shall find and he means just that. And he also says His secret things shall be revealed.

Ha, there be that verse. Surely the Lord God will do nothing except he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets. Everyhting will be revealed so we might as understand them now before hand so we can act accordingly.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Prophecymysteries.html

But now I really got to go...

Hmm. I note with interest that you fail to address the first part of the post you quoted in this post of yours. Namely another request for you to respond to my post, which can be found here - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...3&postcount=86. Just click on the link. This is the 4th time that a link has been provided, and the 6th time that you have been asked if you will respond, which you said you would do.

 

[Ladewig]

As has been pointed out, "goyim" means non-Jew. As a Jew myself, I've never heard it used in a really disparaging way. Generally only mildly disparaging, the same way you might use "putz" to describe a friend (another Yiddish word....check it out).

Check a Yiddish dictionary.

Yes, I now realize I was not quoting two distinct sources. Answers.Com often quotes other sites word for word. I'll recognize your connotation over their's.

I only brought it up because I thought DJJ might be going for an anti-semitic global conspiracy. As it turns out, he was going for the pro-semitic global conspiracy.

 

[wollery]

I only brought it up because I thought DJJ might be going for an anti-semitic global conspiracy. As it turns out, he was going for the pro-semitic global conspiracy.

Well it's certainly a new slant!

As an interesting aside, my great grandfather was a fairly well to do business man, and as such employed a "Shabbas goy". This was a non jew who would come in on Saturday to light fires and turn on lamps, basically anything that needed doing that the family were prohibited from doing themselves on the sabbath. A practice much frowned on by the stricter jews!

 

[Gwyn ap Nudd]

As an interesting aside, my great grandfather was a fairly well to do business man, and as such employed a "Shabbas goy". This was a non jew who would come in on Saturday to light fires and turn on lamps, basically anything that needed doing that the family were prohibited from doing themselves on the sabbath. A practice much frowned on by the stricter jews!

[DERAIL] So, that's basically like the practice of selling renting out your pantry during Passover in order to claim that there is no leaven in your house without actually getting rid of the leaven? [/DERAIL]

 

[Wudang]

And Foster do realise that I am not the one making up these numbers but they are long understood standards of scared geometry.

(bolding mine)

Sorry but you can understand why the geometry got scared.

 

[Dr Adequate]

More derail.

It's fair enough.

The principle is that Jews are the chosen race and therefore have to keep themselves holy by following the ritual law, because they're consecrated to God. It is not sinful for a goy to break the ritual laws of the Jews, 'cos he's not a Jew, and not consecrated to God.

What the Torah clearly shows is
God prefers the race of Moses.
He's a funny way of showing it, but still I'm sure it's true ...

I am not a Jew, but I play one on TV.

---

As for DJJ, has anyone contacted FSTDT yet?

I think this might just be the darndest thing of all.

 

[wollery]

More derail.

It's fair enough.

The principle is that Jews are the chosen race and therefore have to keep themselves holy by following the ritual law, because they're consecrated to God. It is not sinful for a goy to break the ritual laws of the Jews, 'cos he's not a Jew, and not consecrated to God.

Not exactly. The usual interpretation (amongst strict jews) is that the law is that one should not cause a state of change of the Universe on the sabbath. By getting someone else to do the work you are still responsible for causing the change.

What the Torah clearly shows is
God prefers the race of Moses.
He's a funny way of showing it, but still I'm sure it's true ...

I am not a Jew, but I play one on TV.

 

[prewitt81]

To quote the loquacious prewitt81, "Nope."

I can be a man of words when I try, this character just didn't deserve any of them.

And by "man of words" I don't mean eloquence, just that I can use a lot of words.

 

[JonnyFive]

The proofs are in the pudding as well in the numbers I am giving and the whole Creation. It is the proof but if you deny them so be it. Your choice, your lose. Psalm 19... biology, chemistry, physics, math.... etc etc etc etc....

You can not be spoon fed all your life Johnny come lately.. you have to start growing up and proving things to yourself and for yourself and not blaming others.

You're just too precious. If asked to explain why you believe these things, you simply say "the Bible is proof". If asked to provide evidence you say "no, you provide evidence", along with some supremely childish name calling.

You are arrogant and condescending, and you are amazingly dishonest with your "magical numbers". Doesn't the Bible specifically command you not to bear false witness? Doesn't the Jesus of the Bible at least claim to value humility?

Given your statement to me (which I assume was meant as an insult), you seem to believe that I have not "grown up" or that I am not interested in proving things. If this is the best you have going for your "sacred geometry" other than a misunderstanding of mathematics and lying about figures, then you won't win any converts among the rational.

I have, in fact, examined my beliefs critically. All of my beliefs. I leave everything I believe open to the possibility of change, based on convincing evidence at any point in time. Your web site indicates that you have not, and are not willing to do the same with your beliefs. You will respond to queries with arrogant requests that we "figure it out for ourselves" without considering that we, perhaps, have already done this and come to different conclusions than you.

But no, we couldn't possibly have come to a different conclusion than you, because you're right and nothing will convince you otherwise.

You can try to belittle me all you want, but it doesn't change one particle of reality. You don't know what you're talking about, you have no real proof for what you're saying, you don't understand mathematics (or physics, or chemistry, or biology, or even basic number concepts), and the moon is not 216,000 miles from the Earth. Not even close.

If you could actually provide some evidence of your theories, I would be willing to accept them in a heartbeat. You, however, seem to be intent on constructing logic-proof shelters for your inane numerological fallacies.







By the way, my screen name doesn't have a "h" in it, genius.

 

[Paulhoff]

Anybody that is anybody knows that "The Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything is the number 42.

Paul



432 humbug

 

[Cuddles]

Ingredients
For the chocolate meringues
3 egg whites
150g/5½oz golden caster sugar
50g/2oz good quality dark chocolate, grated or finely chopped
2 tsp cocoa, sieved
For the cream
100g/3½oz chocolate
50ml/2fl oz double cream



Method
1. Preheat the oven to 140C/275F/Gas 1.
2. Line two baking trays with greaseproof paper.
3. In a clean, dry bowl whisk egg whites until soft peaks form.
4. Gradually whisk in the sugar until stiff peaks form.
5. Stir together the chocolate and cocoa and fold gently into the meringue.
6. Spoon tablespoons of the mixture onto the prepared trays and quickly put in the oven before the mixture loses volume.
7. Cook for 40 minutes.
8. To make the cream, gently melt the chocolate with the cream in a small heavy-bottomed saucepan.
9. Pour into a bowl and allow to cool.
10. To serve, make a 'sandwich' using two meringues and the chocolate cream as the filling.

From here.

 

[Crossbow]

Thanks Crossbow for the typo correction, and I shall change it.. For that's why I basically posted HERE, as you skeptics would be great for proof reading. Forget my grammar, it will always be in need of repair for I am not a linguistic type.

So even though your intent might not have been right, your seeing that added 0 was.

And so lets both correct our errors by the next posting. Thanks.

DJJ:

Just in case you are still interested, the second page of your web site still has the wrong figure for the number of seconds in a day.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/432KeyofStarofDavid2.html

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I am dumbstruck. I have been struck by dumb.



You know the moon doesn't completely cover the sun during an eclipse, right? Just look up [wp]solar eclipse[/wp], it's all right there. They explain:

Conversely, an eclipse when the Moon is near its farthest distance from the Earth (i.e., near its apogee) can only be an annular eclipse because the Moon will appear to be slightly smaller than the Sun; the magnitude of an annular eclipse is less than 1. Slightly more solar eclipses are annular than total because, on average, the Moon lies too far from Earth to cover the Sun completely.

Also, you do know that the moon has been steadily moving away from the earth. Here's a fine source. The fact that the moon and the sun appear to be the same size is transitory. The moon will appear to shrink in relation to the sun if watched for long enough.

It's just all so ... stupid.

Actually dumb struck , you are dumb because you are willing it upon yourself, as atheists have to deny any truths because they are fearful of anything they would have to stand up for, so they try to pull down all truths, as that is their skeptical pride and self esteem.

They know nothing and say there is nothing and so mock like little children. That's not the way to learn. They are afraid of the real world for in the real world, they truly have nothing in common, as nothing is hardly a basis for a community. They seem only to congregate intheir churches on-kline as their mockery and snide remarks brings them together.

They can't afford to break down and admit any truths or mathematics, publicly for then the pack would turn on them and rend them and they would lose their self esteem and their place in their beloved congregation.

As the Good Book says, they are willingly ignorant. But dumbstruck, while there is time you might try to break out of your intelectual dishonesty and get real and quite blaming others for why you got DUMB struck