How Loony are the Loons?

Crungy said:
Btw, the building wasn't hermitically sealed. Each mechanical floor was banded with outdoor air intake and exhaust/relief air louvers.
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Not to mention the little matter of huge gaping holes caused by airplanes crashing into the buildings.

(And not to mention the previous discussion that has been had on this forum about the fact that fire dampers (or shutters as some of the CTists call them after having read it on a CT site) were not used in the elevator shafts either.)
 
RemoveBush said:
"Goodness no! I do however, expect the attorney for the accused to research the law before he appears in court spouting legal theories that have been settled previously in higher court decisions."

Apparently not! There has been NO settlement or upper court decision made.

You have the GOVERNMENT saying this is how it is.

You have people in the field disputing it and the government telling them to live with it.

For example: 911 Piliots have analyzed the NTSB data from the Pentagon crash and determined that the plane was to the left and 400 FT above the freeway. NTSB will not address this descrepency.

They also point out that pilots with the training that the "hijackers" were suppose to have COULD NOT have flown those planes in the manner they were flown.

This is not MY OPINION, but experts in the field.
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Why is it pretty much every CTist has ADD. For petes sake, can't you stay on one topic?
 
RemoveBush said:
"Goodness no! I do however, expect the attorney for the accused to research the law before he appears in court spouting legal theories that have been settled previously in higher court decisions."

Apparently not! There has been NO settlement or upper court decision made.

You have the GOVERNMENT saying this is how it is.

You have people in the field disputing it and the government telling them to live with it.

For example: 911 Piliots have analyzed the NTSB data from the Pentagon crash and determined that the plane was to the left and 400 FT above the freeway. NTSB will not address this descrepency.

They also point out that pilots with the training that the "hijackers" were suppose to have COULD NOT have flown those planes in the manner they were flown.

This is not MY OPINION, but experts in the field.
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What I was getting at was that just as an attorney researches prescedent, you should research what has been discussed on this very forum before "showing up for court", so to speak.

Just my opinion, but that would save us all a lot of time.
 
RemoveBush said:
Allow me to enlighten some of the people here who have a comprehension problem.

"Kiwiwriter - The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world."

This person can clearly not read!!! The reply was not to "ordinary folks" it was to the US GOVERNMENT! I guess this is what's wrong with our country these days, as someone above posted, our schools are not teaching the basics. He/She cannot clearly read!

"Crazycowbob - I can't help but just shake my head in disbelief when reading rants like these. The lack of education shown is just appalling; I mean, if they wanted to tout a conspiracy theory, they could at least come up with something that couldn't be so easily disproven."

Though this person indicates he/she is a scholar, I seriously doubt that! They fail to acknowledge that PHYSICS is something that cannot be denied. Physics is something that PROVES that the WTC's were brought down by something OTHER than a plane and fires. Here are some very simple questions for you scholar..... 1) What is the Free fall speed of an object dropped from the top of the WTC's? 2) What was the speed at which the buildings fell?? 3) Provide Scientific evidence by experimentation or imperical evidence that the core would have been completly destroyed and that the concrete would have vaporized in mid air like it did.

Since, as you say, it can be "easily disproven" then by all means enlighten us. After all, there are hundreds of HIGH level government officials and Military personnel that believe 9/11 was something other than what we were told. So are all these people "high on crack" as you imply?

I won't hold my breath on a civilized debate, as most of the comments have shown that you simply want to attack and call names of those people who do not follow in lockstep like you do with the official version.

I bet that most of you deniers believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman??? Despite the fact that ballistics has shown that a bullet will enter the body with a small hole and exit in a larger one. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown out. Scientific proof, but you still deny this fact!
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Welcome to the forum Removebush.

A couple of comments. I am an Electronic Engineering Technologist, who then gave that up and went on to be a Family Physician. I have not practiced by electronics in over a decade, but I do remember what we were taught and not taught. I know for a fact that the basics we were taught in our first year were near identical to that an engineering student would get, and from that point on it tends to become more refined.

1. Nothing falls at a "speed" or "velocity" as you should well know. Things accelerate as they approach the earth, until and if they reach terminal velocity. Before you mock someone as not being a scholar, you should make sure you are talking in proper scientific or "scholarly" terms yourself.

2. The correct terminology might be "time of free fall" for a given distance.

3. I am not sure how qualified you are to comment on building structure, whether it be statics or dynamics.

4. The NIST team that was responsible for the WTC BUILDING REPORT was full of civil and structural PhD Engineers.

5. Please show me, using your vast knowledge as an engineer where the science is incorrect in the following statement.

"The WTCs were brought down by a combination of (1) Severing of many of the exterior and interior steel columns from plane impact, (2) removal of the majority of the steel structures fireproofing, and (3) Widespread fires intitiated by the airliner jet fuel, then maintained and superheated by the contents of the office buildings that burned as a result. The degree of impact each of the above had on the building collapse initiation, varies between the two towers."

6. Besides grainy video, what prove can you give us that the vast majority of the concrete in the WTCs was "vaporized" or micronized. Do you have a chemical analysis of said microscopic particles to prove they were concrete, and not drywall?

7. I would bet good money that the vast majority of military and govt officials who believe 9/11 was something other than it what it was, think the Controlled Demolition/Missile Hit the Pentagon/Insid Job version is complete Shaite.

8. I could care less about the JFK crap, so I will comment no further.

I'll comment further after you do sir.

TAM:)
 
Thank you everyone for this thread, I'm new here, but have been running into CT jackasses all over the internet. Lots of just pig ignorant kooks who have to blame everything on the government (or the Jews).

I'm no engineer, not even the minimum wage engineer that StopBush is, working at the car exhaust testing site, but I do know the methods and madness of the CT's. Its the same at every forum, same ill proposed junk, followed by a logical fallacy, followed by spin, then a heap load of more conspiracies, and its all because some evil cabal (Government, Illuminati, Jews, NWO, Bilderbergers, CFR, etc) is really running the whole world, and we are all just little controled sheep.

Again, no one ever offers up any proof of their conspiracy, rather, they are lazy and want us to disprove them.

Shoddy logic and an ignorant public is a CT's play ground.

Its good to see another one shot down, leaving to back to some kook cave where he will brag about kicking the ass of everyone here!

LOL
 
Dr. Lao said:
Thank you everyone for this thread, I'm new here, but have been running into CT jackasses all over the internet. Lots of just pig ignorant kooks who have to blame everything on the government (or the Jews).

I'm no engineer, not even the minimum wage engineer that StopBush is, working at the car exhaust testing site, but I do know the methods and madness of the CT's. Its the same at every forum, same ill proposed junk, followed by a logical fallacy, followed by spin, then a heap load of more conspiracies, and its all because some evil cabal (Government, Illuminati, Jews, NWO, Bilderbergers, CFR, etc) is really running the whole world, and we are all just little controled sheep.

Again, no one ever offers up any proof of their conspiracy, rather, they are lazy and want us to disprove them.

Shoddy logic and an ignorant public is a CT's play ground.

Its good to see another one shot down, leaving to back to some kook cave where he will brag about kicking the ass of everyone here!

LOL
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You nailed it.

Welcome to the forums, Dr. Lao!
 
Yes, welcome Dr. Lao to the Forum. Opinion and Speculation carry little weight in this forum. Facts and science, as well as other forms of concrete evidence tend to hold the most value.

TAM:)
 
"Just what is an Electrometer?"

Sorry I did not respond sooner, but I was eating..... Damn wife won't let me go until she says I can go...

An Electrometer is a meter which measures radiation, a Spectrometer measures light.
 
T.A.M. said:
Yes, welcome Dr. Lao to the Forum. Opinion and Speculation carry little weight in this forum. Facts and science, as well as other forms of concrete evidence tend to hold the most value.

TAM:)
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Don't say "concrete" or we'll get Christophera in here!
 
Dr. Lao said:
Thank you everyone for this thread, I'm new here, but have been running into CT jackasses all over the internet. Lots of just pig ignorant kooks who have to blame everything on the government (or the Jews).

I'm no engineer, not even the minimum wage engineer that StopBush is, working at the car exhaust testing site, but I do know the methods and madness of the CT's. Its the same at every forum, same ill proposed junk, followed by a logical fallacy, followed by spin, then a heap load of more conspiracies, and its all because some evil cabal (Government, Illuminati, Jews, NWO, Bilderbergers, CFR, etc) is really running the whole world, and we are all just little controled sheep.

Again, no one ever offers up any proof of their conspiracy, rather, they are lazy and want us to disprove them.

Shoddy logic and an ignorant public is a CT's play ground.

Its good to see another one shot down, leaving to back to some kook cave where he will brag about kicking the ass of everyone here!

LOL
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Welcome to Jref Dr.Lao.

And yes you nailed it.
 
"But...but...how do you measure your electros? Surely you need to know how big they are?"

And YOU expect people to take you seriously???? You have NO CLUE what you are even talking about and making fun of something you know NOTHING about.

"Electrometer A highly sensitive instrument which measures all or some of the following variables: current, charge, voltage, and resistance. There are two classes of electrometers, mechanical and electronic. The mechanical instruments have been largely replaced by electronic types. See also Current measurement; Electrical measurements; Voltage measurement."


http://www.answers.com/topic/electrometer
 
RemoveBush said:
"But...but...how do you measure your electros? Surely you need to know how big they are?"

And YOU expect people to take you seriously???? You have NO CLUE what you are even talking about and making fun of something you know NOTHING about.

"Electrometer A highly sensitive instrument which measures all or some of the following variables: current, charge, voltage, and resistance. There are two classes of electrometers, mechanical and electronic. The mechanical instruments have been largely replaced by electronic types. See also Current measurement; Electrical measurements; Voltage measurement."


http://www.answers.com/topic/electrometer
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that sounds more like its describing a multimeter, and doesnt mention radiation at all

are you sure you didnt just read our posts then google for a quote?
 
RemoveBush said:
"But...but...how do you measure your electros? Surely you need to know how big they are?"

And YOU expect people to take you seriously???? You have NO CLUE what you are even talking about and making fun of something you know NOTHING about.

"Electrometer A highly sensitive instrument which measures all or some of the following variables: current, charge, voltage, and resistance. There are two classes of electrometers, mechanical and electronic. The mechanical instruments have been largely replaced by electronic types. See also Current measurement; Electrical measurements; Voltage measurement."


http://www.answers.com/topic/electrometer
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Yep, that's right! Sure did! Boy, you sure got me!

Not that I'm the one claiming to be an engineer. Just a lowly electrical tech.

So remind me again about how this makes you qualified to "debunk" the real engineers?

Still waiting on that.
 
REMOVEBUSH:

I know it is hard to answer everything when you have so many coming at you, but when you get a chance, please address the points I made in my posting about 10-12 posts above here.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Yes, welcome Dr. Lao to the Forum. Opinion and Speculation carry little weight in this forum. Facts and science, as well as other forms of concrete evidence tend to hold the most value.

TAM:)
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Yep. Oh and another type of post that holds value is the smartass post. Since I'm an engineer but not a DEGREED engineer and am in no way a math whiz, I have reluctantly assumed my rightful position as the JREF Smartass Poster.

And welcome to the forum Dr. Lao (chrissakes ANOTHER doctor and there I go being outclassed AGAIN!)
 
RemoveBush said:
"But...but...how do you measure your electros? Surely you need to know how big they are?"

And YOU expect people to take you seriously???? You have NO CLUE what you are even talking about and making fun of something you know NOTHING about.

"Electrometer A highly sensitive instrument which measures all or some of the following variables: current, charge, voltage, and resistance. There are two classes of electrometers, mechanical and electronic. The mechanical instruments have been largely replaced by electronic types. See also Current measurement; Electrical measurements; Voltage measurement."


http://www.answers.com/topic/electrometer
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Wow you googled it and actually found an electrometer.

Hey here’s a quickie for you to Google also, or maybe you could answer straight away. Voltage, current and resistance, what exactly is the relationship?

Just asking questions.
 
I'm not a Doctor, but I played one in a 1960's bizzare movie.

But, I did stay at a Courtyard by Marriot last month.
 
RemoveBush said:
And YOU expect people to take you seriously???? You have NO CLUE what you are even talking about and making fun of something you know NOTHING about.

"Electrometer A highly sensitive instrument which measures all or some of the following variables: current, charge, voltage, and resistance. There are two classes of electrometers, mechanical and electronic. The mechanical instruments have been largely replaced by electronic types. See also Current measurement; Electrical measurements; Voltage measurement."


http://www.answers.com/topic/electrometer
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Save it - you got caught. Stateofgrace is an EE, JimBenArm is a electroincs tech and I'm an aviation electrician. None of us have ever heard of, let alone used, a electrometer. The devices that an electronics tech uses 90% of the time or more are multimeters and O-scopes - not electroscopes and spectroscopes(WTF?!?)
How about you come clean and start over.
 
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