How Loony are the Loons?

[A W Smith]

"Sure I believe you are an engineer. Conrail or Amtrak? Man you blew your cover with the squibs. Im not even going to bother bringing up the many posts and threads for that. Tell me something. lets see you use math right now. Lets take the volume of one floor which will be about 435600 cubic feet. Where did you think the volume of air went during the collapse of each floor? and what would the resultant PSI be of the air as each floor collapsed?"

Hey TOOL, I hate to tell you but air is going to go through the path of the least resistance and one or two windows is not going to cut it..... I will bet money that you had not idea, or clue, that the WTC was a hermetically sealed enviroment and that the air would force it's way through the path of least resistance.

NO WAY would 10 to 20 stories, multiple times, shoot air out before where the collapse was occuring. Your not a very smart engineer are you?

You forgot about the stairwells. Also the mechanical floors where some of the 'squibs' as you CTers like to call them were seen. and the elevators yes lets talk about them. There were only two elevators that went from top to bottom. all the other elevator shafts shared multiple cars which means separate lift machinery for each car. so it is conceivable that this 'path of least resistance" could have exited through a machinery room.

 

[LashL]

The stair wells were about the only thing that did not have a damping valve (I believe thats right). Once there was a fire, the valves would close and the building was Hermetically sealed.

That is untrue.

I will try to find the article that discusses this.

Please do. Many here will read it with interest, I'm sure.

 

[JimBenArm]

"/foreheadsmack

Working with car engines does not make you an engineer.

The words actually refer to quite different things."

Hey MORON!!! I never said I work with "engines".

E-L-E-C-T-R-N-I-C-S!

Morons like you seem to lump EVERYTHING into a tight little package!

I have dealt with Electrometers, and Spectrometers. Sorry son, but you just have not freeking clue what your talking about.

Just what is an Electrometer? Do you mean multimeter, voltmeter, ampmeter, wattmeter, power factor meter, meter, or what? And just what readings did it give you to tell you that a plane crash didn't bring down the towers? Or was it your Spectrometer that told you that? Or did it show you the thermite in the cut columns?

Just asking questions!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Actually its E-L-E-C-T-R-O-N-I-C-S (electronics)

"I am so smart. I am so smart. S-M-R-T! I mean S-M-A-R-T!"

 

[RemoveBush]

"Goodness no! I do however, expect the attorney for the accused to research the law before he appears in court spouting legal theories that have been settled previously in higher court decisions."

Apparently not! There has been NO settlement or upper court decision made.

You have the GOVERNMENT saying this is how it is.

You have people in the field disputing it and the government telling them to live with it.

For example: 911 Piliots have analyzed the NTSB data from the Pentagon crash and determined that the plane was to the left and 400 FT above the freeway. NTSB will not address this descrepency.

They also point out that pilots with the training that the "hijackers" were suppose to have COULD NOT have flown those planes in the manner they were flown.

This is not MY OPINION, but experts in the field.

 

[RemoveBush]

"Actually its E-L-E-C-T-R-O-N-I-C-S (electronics)"

Yeah, it's a typo! If thats all you have, then ciao.

 

[TheChadd]

You have people in the field disputing it and the government telling them to live with it.

Who?

Judy Whatsherface? (The Dental Engineer)
The Reptillian overlords guy?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

For example: 911 Piliots have analyzed the NTSB data from the Pentagon crash and determined that the plane was to the left and 400 FT above the freeway. NTSB will not address this descrepency.

you mean "pilots" for 911 "truth?" theres a thread on that, suffice to say, their analysis is lacking at best

They also point out that pilots with the training that the "hijackers" were suppose to have COULD NOT have flown those planes in the manner they were flown.

who might that be? his trainer said he had no doubts hanjour could have done it

 

[RemoveBush]

"so if theres a fire anyone not in the stairwells just suffocates?"

No, but that is where the fire sprinkler comes into play. You know the one that failed like EVERYTHING on 9/11???

Normally people could have gone to the roof, don't know if that would have helped, but another coincidence that the doors were locked.

 

[JimBenArm]

"Actually its E-L-E-C-T-R-O-N-I-C-S (electronics)"

Yeah, it's a typo! If thats all you have, then ciao.

Toodles! Vanna has a lovely parting gift for you! Oh, look, it's an Electrometer!

Don't hurt yourself with it!

 

[apathoid]

"/foreheadsmack

Working with car engines does not make you an engineer.

The words actually refer to quite different things."

Hey MORON!!! I never said I work with "engines".

E-L-E-C-T-R-N-I-C-S!

Morons like you seem to lump EVERYTHING into a tight little package!

I have dealt with Electrometers, and Spectrometers. Sorry son, but you just have not freeking clue what your talking about.

I've never heard of any instrument called a Electrometer. I've used multimeters(I own 3 of them), oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, meggers(Megaohm-meters), DITS bus analyzers, and an array of other test equipment, but never an electrometer....

ETA: rats, jimben beat me.

 

[A W Smith]

"so if theres a fire anyone not in the stairwells just suffocates?"

No, but that is where the fire sprinkler comes into play. You know the one that failed like EVERYTHING on 9/11???

Normally people could have gone to the roof, don't know if that would have helped, but another coincidence that the doors were locked.

did you know that the trade center was not even built with a sprinkler system and had to be retrofitted? In fact the entire system was not even completed on 9/11

 

[defaultdotxbe]

No, but that is where the fire sprinkler comes into play. You know the one that failed like EVERYTHING on 9/11???

i dont follow...they were supposed to breathe the water from the sprinklers?

you do know that even if the sprinklers had worked (the pipes were severed when those planes hit the towers) they were never designed to handle fires as large as the ones on 9/11

Normally people could have gone to the roof, don't know if that would have helped, but another coincidence that the doors were locked.

how is it a coincidence that the roof doors were locked? it was standard procedure to keep them locked

BTW the NYPD said they could get anyone off the roof anyway because all the smoke and updrafts from the fires, so its a moot point either way

 

[JimBenArm]

I've never heard of any instrument called a Electrometer. I've used multimeters(I own 3 of them), oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, meggers(Megaohm-meters), DITS bus analyzers, and an array of other test equipment, but never an electrometer....

But...but...how do you measure your electros? Surely you need to know how big they are?

 

[Crungy]

The stair wells were about the only thing that did not have a damping valve (I believe thats right). Once there was a fire, the valves would close and the building was Hermetically sealed. Please do some damn research!

After the fiasco with the smoked stairwells, the WTC stairwells were retrofitted with a fire emergency pressurization system. I believe the term our friend is looking for is "fire dampers". I believe that "damping valve" is an English term.... ....P-Sock is a Brit! DOH!!!

It would really help our P-Doh, if his socks didn't write and express their opinions in such an identical manner.....

Btw, the building wasn't hermitically sealed. Each mechanical floor was banded with outdoor air intake and exhaust/relief air louvers.

 

[stateofgrace]

"Actually its E-L-E-C-T-R-O-N-I-C-S (electronics)"

Yeah, it's a typo! If thats all you have, then ciao.

No I have many more questions for you.

Let’s try a simple one.

What happened on 911? Just a summary, a few sentences, give it a shot. Please include the following.

WTC 1
WTC 2
WTC 7
Flight 77
Flight93
Al Quada.

Ps, I am a fully qualified electrical/mechanical engineer with over 20 years in the field and a BSc to boot, what exactly is an Electrometer?

ETA wow it actually exists and measures radiation. Measure much radiation removebush?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I've never heard of any instrument called a Electrometer. I've used multimeters(I own 3 of them), oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, meggers(Megaohm-meters), DITS bus analyzers, and an array of other test equipment, but never an electrometer....

ETA: rats, jimben beat me.

In modern parlance, an electrometer is a highly sensitive electronic voltmeter whose input impedance is so high that the current flowing into it can be considered, for practical purposes, to be zero. They are of use in nuclear physics as they are able to amplify the tiny 'photo' currents created by radiation. The most common use for modern electrometers is probably the measurement of radiation with ionization chambers.

im sure that comes up all the time in automotive electronics

 

[TheChadd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrometer

In modern parlance, an electrometer is a highly sensitive electronic voltmeter whose input impedance is so high that the current flowing into it can be considered, for practical purposes, to be zero. They are of use in nuclear physics as they are able to amplify the tiny 'photo' currents created by radiation. The most common use for modern electrometers is probably the measurement of radiation with ionization chambers.

Didn't he say he's an electrical engineer working on cars or something? What is he using this for?


Arr [Rule 8] beaten to it

 

[Brainache]

So to get this thread back on topic: "How loony are the loons?"

I'd say they are pretty loony. Just to take a few samples from one of them:
This RemoveBush character seems to think JDX is an expert flight data analyst.

He also seems to think that windows won't blow out as a result of over pressure; they need high explosives for that.

He says that the core should have stayed upright while the rest of the building collapsed around it.

He thinks the WTC were "modest sized buildings" that could be blown up with about ten tons of secretly placed TNT.

He thinks a lot, this bloke. Shame he is so wrong about everything.

 

[apathoid]

im sure that comes up all the time in automotive electronics

Teeheehee