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Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

With that joke, you make whoever you didn't like at all the last one, and the one your not to happy with the 2nd.

Paul

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Mr Clingford said:
You know, Jesus told a parable about that, didn't he children? The man who worked only a few minutes will be paid as much as the man who worked all day. Yeah, God will be open to the sinner too. I don't know how it might work - I have to trust God.
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Aha, you spotted the parallel!

Can't you see that that's just a parable to counter exactly the type of comment I've made? The problem is that while you're welcome to take that as your belief, it immediately negates the concept of an omnipotent god. Bang! The first crack appears in his armour. God becomes a mere contradiction in terms:

Omnipotent, all-knowing, all-loving, all-forgiving. Really? A god which is capable of giving the very same opportunities to float around in heaven to rapists as to children who starve to death? You've gone and created a designer-god who you are able to trust. A god whose sole criterion is that one accepts him? A god who puts acceptance of him higher than the suffering of a small child? Even Jesus allowed that of all the commandments, the only one which matters is dissing his old man.

Whichever way you put it, your god doesn't stack up against any reasonable analysis - biblically, logically or rationally.

And I'll answer Huntster's post of a similar vein here:

Huntster said:
So many here focus on the physical and on physical suffering, yet try to downplay the accepted sacrifice of Christ's suffering.
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A few hours of pain and suffering compared to a lifetime of nothing else?

Not a fair comparison. Plus, Jesus had the joy of knowing his dad was waiting for him after he'd taken the nails. So what is his sacrifice? A nine year old kid just takes the pain - it's all he knows.
 
Paulhoff
With that joke, you make whoever you didn't like at all the last one, and the one your not to happy with the 2nd.
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Most stereotypical jokes work that way.
It was just Huntster’s quote that brought it to mind.
 
RandFan said:
I don't see much righteousness in genocide, slavery, infantacide, incest, rape, etc.

We know through the bible that god is arbitrary, capricious and petulant. The proof is there if you are honest enough to read it.
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There's the rub, right there, RF. Kathy is still one of the most dishonest people on this board. She still won't answer Fowlsound's question. Until she does, she continues to demonstrate that she hasn't much to say. She's just going to keep repeating the same damned things over and over until we capitulate and say, "Hallelujah! I have seen The Light!"

Guess what, Kath: Ain't happenin'. Not here.
 
kurious_kathy said:
You are crazy if you think God the Father wanted to turn away from Christ while he died on that cross. Jesus had never been out of the Father's sight until the cross. Because Jesus bore our sins, God turned away til He rose Him back to life.

Why did God do it? Why did Jesus do it?? Because of love! I think people would be a lot smarter to not take God's grace or love for granted!
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You would be a lot smarter if you actually read what people posted, and responded with respect and wisdom. Instead, you accuse, you bleat, and you denigrate what people have experienced. You make a liar out of your god by your actions. And you still won't answer Fowlsound's question.

Do us a favor: Start being honest with yourself. At least then, you might start being honest with us.
 
Roadtoad said:
Do us a favor: Start being honest with yourself. At least then, you might start being honest with us.
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Paul clears his throat and sings (many people run away)

To dream the impossible dream.......

Paul

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The Atheist said:
Originally Posted by Huntster
So many here focus on the physical and on physical suffering, yet try to downplay the accepted sacrifice of Christ's suffering.
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A few hours of pain and suffering compared to a lifetime of nothing else?

Not a fair comparison.
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Missed it, didn't you?

Again:

So many here focus on the physical and on physical suffering, yet try to downplay the accepted sacrifice of Christ's suffering.
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It's as if Christ had to be a cancerous asthmatic leper with amputated limbs and eaten by infection from birth in order for Him to qualify to equal your empathy.

Funny, really...................

Plus, Jesus had the joy of knowing his dad was waiting for him after he'd taken the nails.
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So do many of us.

Get the clue.........

So what is his sacrifice?
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An ignominious, painful, disgraceful death, walked into knowingly and in obedience.

A nine year old kid just takes the pain - it's all he knows.
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You don't know what he "knows" or doesn't know. He might know the saving grace of God.
 
Huntster said:
It's as if Christ had to be a cancerous asthmatic leper with amputated limbs and eaten by infection from birth in order for Him to qualify to equal your empathy.
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Not quite, but if he'd actually given something up, - other than a few hours of pain, and what's pain to a god anyway - which he clearly didn't since he was alive again a couple of days later.

A sacrifice which isn't a sacrifice just isn't a sacrifice.

Huntster said:
An ignominious, painful, disgraceful death, walked into knowingly and in obedience.
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Ignominious? Given that it started a religion which now has over a billion adherents, I'm not sure ignominy comes into it.

Painful, I grant you - those nails had to HURT. Disgraceful? Not at all. Only in the eyes of the Jews who put the nails in. And death? What death? I've slept longer than Jesus was dead for.
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You don't know what he "knows" or doesn't know. He might know the saving grace of God.
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Mate, I just wish I could believe that.

If I could believe that, I'd be able to sleep more soundly than I do. If I could believe that there was a god out there who would even up all the evil with sheer goodness, I'm sure I'd be a much happier person than I am. When I started looking for god, I really, really wanted to find him - he just wasn't there, and neither was any evidence that I could possibly consider evidence. Accordingly, I just take the pain and do the best I can as a person.
 
Huntster said:
And just how is it that someone who believes in God cannot focus on the wonder in front of us all?
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Don't put words in my mouth, Hunt; I never said nor implied they can't. You said atheists have an empty glass. I've refuted that.


Huntster said:
Life after death cannot be known, but we have hints that can be believed, doubted, or rejected.
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Or investigated and found to be wanting.


Huntster said:
And that has nothing to do with living a life with appreciation for God today.
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And that has nothing to do with your claim that an atheist's glass is empty.


Huntster said:
Having children has nothing to do with having faith in God or not.
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See above.
 
Oh, you're one of those....

Its not the size of the wand, its the magic in it.

Hah.


And the winner for thread derail goes to Garrette....
 
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