Wizard's Magical Mystery Flight

Gravy I didn't deny it crashed there. It's not a subject I usually discuss. I didn't start this thread.
so if you dont deny that it was hijacked and crashed, why are you so keen on not beleiving the reports until you see debris?

i mean theres skepticism then theres just being dense
 
Gravy I didn't deny it crashed there. It's not a subject I usually discuss. I didn't start this thread.
You made a claim about the lack of debris. There was no lack of debris.
 
So you say the debris was carried by the wind and boloboffin says it floated on indian lake. Which was it Gravy?
Both. The lake was downwind, as was the area where other scraps were found. Nothing is inconsistent with flight 93 being flown into the ground near Shanksville. Nothing.
 
Both. The lake was downwind, as was the area where other scraps were found. Nothing is inconsistent with flight 93 being flown into the ground near Shanksville. Nothing.

The engine being found 2000ft away and the third debris field in New Baltimore are slightly suspicious
 
Yes but it is a very misleading analogy. Nobody has any feel for how fast a bullet goes anyway because you dont see them travel through the air.

I think that's the whole point.

People are used to seeing planes close to the ground only on take off and landing - when they're moving relatively slowly. We really don't have a feel for how fast they go when at altitude, or when, as in this case, they are flown into the ground on purpose. I think most people picture this crash as happening at the speed you normally see planes travelling - Not very fast at all.

When you say, "As fast as a bullet", we go, "Damn, that's fast!", because the one thing most people know about bullets is, they're so fast you can't even see them. The bullet analogy helps break people out of their usual mental image of what a plane "looks like" when it's close to the ground. It helps people to realize that the plane was going really bloody FAST.
 
whats to prevent hawks who live on carrion from picking up bits of human flesh etc from the crash site and dropping it hundreds of yards or even miles away? Also who's to say the plane didn't begin to break up from aerodynamic loading during the plunge?
 
Yes I suspect it was shot down
But the FDR and CVR and all the other evidence say it wasn't. Therefore you are wrong. Buck up, Wizard, and take the truth like a man or woman.
 
Yes I suspect it was shot down

So you don’t believe the passengers fought back?

If they shot this flight down, why would they deny it? Why this massive cover up?

Why not just say..................

`We shot it down´
 
So you don’t believe the passengers fought back?

If they shot this flight down, why would they deny it? Why this massive cover up?

Why not just say..................

`We shot it down´

He does believe the passengers fought back, that's what I get from our conversation. But I guess the USG blew UA93 out of the sky just because.

UA93 was shot down by jetfighters that weren't in the vincinity and didn't carry rockets.
 
Wizard:

What makes you think you or I are entitled to see the wreckage of a plane involved in a criminal act?

The thing that bothers me about the CTers in general, is that they seem to think that Joe Public is entitled to see all the evidence for every aspect of the attacks, and if not provided, than it must be that they are covering up.

Can you imagine if Joe Public had access to all the evidence of every crime, every unusual event, in recorded history? Foolishness. If CNN broadcasts tomorrow that a plane ran into bad weather and crashed in the middle of a field in Texas, do you think the general public requires seeing the wreckage placed in a hanger, in order to believe it.

These guys here are right. When a plane crashes into a landfill at 550mph, and at a steep angle (40 vs 90 not much difference once beyond a critical angle, I would imagine), there is likely not much left of the plane that would be larger than a a foot or two in size, even at the bottom of the crater, much less the surface.

Every dig a grave. In my youth I did just that. Here is an analogy. When we would dig a fresh grave, out of solid ground, it would be an extremely laborous process. However, when we would dig an adjoining grave within a two person plot that already had been dug up, and then refilled (when the first person was buried), It was as easy as scooping the dirt out. Well the shanksville site was like the two person plot.

The crash site was a landfill. That means it was full of loosely piled dirt and debris. compared to the hard dirt and rock of a mountainside, the shanksville land would have been like butter, and hence the reason the plane buried itself on impact.

TAM:)
 
Yes I suspect it was shot down
From my research, no traces of a foreign explosive were found in, or on, the wreckage. Highly unusual. It'd be there. This gas chromatograhy / mass spectroscopy technology would have nailed the signature.

Also, assuming a heat-seeking missile was used in this hypothetical shootdown, that means the missile enters an engine, impacts and explodes. Blasting the engine to smithereens. But that is not consistent with the engine wreckage found at Shanksville.
 
So you don’t believe the passengers fought back?

If they shot this flight down, why would they deny it? Why this massive cover up?

Why not just say..................

`We shot it down´

In the context of everything else happening that day and all their other failures that they would have to explain to the families, admitting it was shot down would be the last thing they wanted. Far better to let the heroism stand.
 
From my research, no traces of a foreign explosive were found in, or on, the wreckage. Highly unusual. It'd be there. This gas chromatograhy / mass spectroscopy technology would have nailed the signature.

Also, assuming a heat-seeking missile was used in this hypothetical shootdown, that means the missile enters an engine, impacts and explodes. Blasting the engine to smithereens. But that is not consistent with the engine wreckage found at Shanksville.

I thought they didnt do a proper investigation because they knew the cause
 
In the context of everything else happening that day and all their other failures that they would have to explain to the families, admitting it was shot down would be the last thing they wanted. Far better to let the heroism stand.
and make themselves look like ignorant buffons incapable of defending the country so they had to let some civilians defend it for them

yeah, far better
 
In the context of everything else happening that day and all their other failures that they would have to explain to the families, admitting it was shot down would be the last thing they wanted. Far better to let the heroism stand.
Wizard, I think you need to take a break and sit down and think about the logic, or lack thereof, in your arguments. You simply aren't making sense.
 
In the context of everything else happening that day and all their other failures that they would have to explain to the families, admitting it was shot down would be the last thing they wanted. Far better to let the heroism stand.

Oh so you are saying those that did fight back were not heroes?

You are saying the calls home to loved from those onboard who said they were going to take the plane back are faked.

The voice recorder that captured the desperate struggle for survival is faked.

You are calling Lisa Jefferson a liar, who spoke to Todd Beamer and said the Lord prayer with him before they decided to roll.

These are all lies are they?

You are actually calling the victims of this dreadful event not heroes but liars?
 
Oh so you are saying those that did fight back were not heroes?

You are saying the calls home to loved from those onboard who said they were going to take the plane back are faked.

The voice recorder that captured the desperate struggle for survival is faked.

You are calling Lisa Jefferson a liar, who spoke to Todd Beamer and said the Lord prayer with him before they decided to roll.

These are all lies are they?

You are actually calling the victims of this dreadful event not heroes but liars?

No, they were attempting to overpower the hijackers but that doesn;t eliminate that it was shot down anyway
 

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