Wizard's Magical Mystery Flight

What would convince you that if the plane was entirely reconstructed that it would be flight 93 from Shanksville anyway? To simply be dismissed as evidence like all the rest? There was no equipment failure. they knew in advance what brought the plane down. they examined 95 percent of the wreckage. who owes you a reconstruction? The victims families themselves had to lobby for sufficient funding to examine the evidence as it is. As far as I know they are satisfied with the examination.
 
Wizard said:
I don't even know who most of them are but I would think that they don;t work for the government.
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The relatives told us of the phonecalls from the plane, describing the hijacking and how the passengers decided to fight back. Where these phonecalls real?
 
Wizard said:
Yes but it is a very misleading analogy. Nobody has any feel for how fast a bullet goes anyway because you dont see them travel through the air.

Bullets generally penetrate things, planes generally dont
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Except when they're travelling at 500mph and hit one of the massive Twin Towers?

You are truly stupid.

Please refrain from throwing personal attacks.
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Bell said:
The relatives told us of the phonecalls from the plane, describing the hijacking and how the passengers decided to fight back. Where these phonecalls real?
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Of course they were real. You start a troll thread then ask ridiculous questions, why?
 
Wizard said:
Yes it possibly could, although I heard there is another impact site.

Flight 93 is not something I have researched that much.

If you want to pin me down on a gut feeling, I would say it was shot down.
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The "other impact site" you've heard about is a place where light debris gathered after floating along Indian Lake.

The Bush administration has already admitted that a shootdown order was given. Why would they cover up an actual shootdown? Far from being a damaging thing, the admission of such a thing would have given even more support to the Bush administration in their response to this attack. And no one would have blamed them!
 
Wizard said:
Yes but it is a very misleading analogy. Nobody has any feel for how fast a bullet goes anyway because you dont see them travel through the air.

Bullets generally penetrate things, planes generally dont
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My statement was that large parts of humans and planes can't be expected to survive such an impact. If you disagree, present your evidence. If you do not disagree, then please stop taking my words out of context. It's not our fault that you don't understand that bullets fired from guns go very fast. If you can't put 580 mph or 850 fps into some kind of context, I feel very sorry for you.
 
Wizard said:
I would just like to see some wreckage.
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How much, and how presented of this wreckage would convince you that Flight 93 crashed as reported?

Some pictures have already been released: Are they fake? Why?

Forensics personnel have ID'd the remains of passengers from Flight 93, in and around the town of Shanksville, PA. Are they falsifying their work? How much of it?

Flight 93 was a Boeing 757 jetliner. That's a big item. If it was not in Shanksville - where is it? How did it get to this alternate location? Who got it there?
 
boloboffin said:
The "other impact site" you've heard about is a place where light debris gathered after floating along Indian Lake.

The Bush administration has already admitted that a shootdown order was given. Why would they cover up an actual shootdown? Far from being a damaging thing, the admission of such a thing would have given even more support to the Bush administration in their response to this attack. And no one would have blamed them!
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I take your point and i'm not certain either way.

How do you know for certain that that debris floated there?
 
Wizard said:
Of course they were real. You start a troll thread then ask ridiculous questions, why?
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By admitting the phonecalls were real, do you also mean the hijacking and the fighting back were real?
 
Wizard said:
I don't even know who most of them are but I would think that they don;t work for the government.
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No
People. A mix of ordinary people

Please study the list of passengers. Ordinary people, retiree, student, salesman, arborist ......

They are not living secretly in Bolivia, neither were they executed by the CIA.

Get it yet? They died there. Flight 93 crashed into the ground at Shanksville.

Crew:
-- Lorraine G. Bay, 58, East Windsor, N.J., flight attendant, United Airlines
-- Sandra W. Bradshaw, 38, Greensboro, N.C., flight attendant, United Airlines
-- Jason Dahl, 43, Denver, Colo., captain, United Airlines
-- Wanda Anita Green, 49, Linden, N.J., flight attendant, United Airlines
-- LeRoy Wilton Homer Jr., 36, Marlton, N.J., first officer, United Airlines
-- CeeCee Lyles, 33, Fort Myers, Fla., flight attendant, United Airlines
-- Deborah Welsh, 49, New York, N.Y., flight attendant, United Airlines
Passengers:
-- Christian Adams, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German Wine Fund
-- Todd Beamer, 32, Cranbury, N.J., account manager, Oracle Corp. -- Alan Beaven, 48, Hurleyville, N.Y., environmental lawyer
-- Mark K. Bingham, 31, San Francisco, Calif., owner, The Bingham Group
-- Deora Frances Bodley, 20, San Diego, Calif., university student, Santa Clara (Calif.) University
-- Marion Britton, 53, New York, N.Y., assistant regional director, U.S. Census Bureau
-- Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, San Ramon, Calif., senior vice president , Thoratec Corp.
-- William Joseph Cashman, 60, West New York, N.J., construction worker
-- Georgine Rose Corrigan, 56, Honolulu, Hawaii, antiques and collectibles dealer
-- Patricia Cushing, 69, Bayonne, N.J., retiree
-- Joseph Deluca, 52, Ledgewood, N.J., systems business consultant, Pfizer Inc.
-- Patrick Joseph Driscoll, 70, Point Pleasant Beach, N.J., retired research director, Bell Communications
-- Edward P. Felt, 41, Matawan, N.J., technology director, BEA Systems
-- Jane C. Folger, 73, Bayonne, N.J., retiree
-- Colleen Laura Fraser, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey Developmental Disabilities Council
-- Andrew Garcia, 62, Portola Valley, Calif., salesman
-- Jeremy Glick, 31, Hewlett, N.J., managing director, Credit Suisse Boston
-- Lauren Grandcolas, 38, San Rafael, Calif., sales worker, Good Housekeeping magazine
-- Donald F. Greene, 47, Greenwich, Conn., executive vice president, Safe Flight Instrument Corp.
-- Linda Gronlund, 46, Greenwood Lake, N.Y., environmental compliance, BMW
-- Richard Jerry Guadagno, 39, Eureka, Calif., manager, Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge
-- Toshiya Kuge, 20, Nishimidoriguoska, Japan, student, Japanese
-- Hilda Marcin, 79, Budd Lake, N.J., retired teacher's aide
-- Waleska Martinez Rivera, 37, Jersey City, N.J., automation specialist, U.S. Census Bureau
-- Nicole Miller, 21, San Jose, Calif., student, West Valley College
-- Louis J. Nacke, 42, New Hope, Pa., distribution center director, Kay-Bee Toys
-- Donald Arthur Peterson, 66, Spring Lake, N.J., retired president, Continental Electric Co.
-- Jean Hoadley Peterson, 55, Spring Lake, N.J., retired nurse
-- Mark Rothenberg, 52, Scotch Plains, N.J., owner, MDR Global Resources
-- Christine Anne Snyder, 32, Kailua, Hawaii, arborist, Outdoor Circle
-- John Talignani, 74, New York, N.Y., retired restaurant worker
-- Honor Elizabeth Wainio, 27, Baltimore, Md., district manager, Discovery Channel stores
-- Olga Kristin Gould White, 65, New York, N.Y., freelance medical journalist
 
It doesn't do any good to call Wizard stupid now. He's retreating from prior posts to a place where he feels some genuine questions.

Anybody looking at that crater in the ground can be excused for a momentary pause at what's being depicted. Flight 93 slamming into the ground, only to be enveloped as it was, is a horrific sight. It's really a study in how finding things we expect in a horrible accident is a source of comfort.

However, with 93 trackable in the reconstructed radar records, with the phone calls to the relatives, with the recovered plane and its contents, with the CVR, we have to accept that this scene is the place where all lives aboard 93 perished in an instant.

Because this is what happened.
 
Wizard said:
The lack of debris puzzles me and also the size of the debris field
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LACK OF DEBRIS? Even Killtown knows that's not true. Go to this page and scroll down to debris photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

As for the size of the "debris field," some scraps of paper and cloth were found a few miles away. They were carried by the wind. You clearly don't understand the violence of the impact and explosion. Bones were imbedded in tree trunks.

Please, Wizard, have the respect to do your homework before posting about these things. Your ignorance is astonishing.
 
Gravy said:
LACK OF DEBRIS? Even Killtown knows that's not true. Go to this page and scroll down to debris photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

As for the size of the "debris field," some scraps of paper and cloth were found a few miles away. They were carried by the wind. You clearly don't understand the violence of the impact and explosion. Bones were imbedded in tree trunks.

Please, Wizard, have the respect to do your homework before posting about these things. Your ignorance is astonishing.
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Gravy I didn't deny it crashed there. It's not a subject I usually discuss. I didn't start this thread.
 
Wizard said:
The lack of debris puzzles me and also the size of the debris field
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heres a description of a debris field from a BAe-146 aircraft I posted earlier on the other thread from the pacific southwest airlines flight 1771 hijack and crash


Detective Bill Wammock is the first to arrive on the scene. He recalls “nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look like a passenger aircraft.”

Two days later, an FBI Agent working the scene found what appeared to be the barrel and trigger of a handgun. Forensic Analysists examined the pieces, and found a small peice of skin wedged between the trigger and the barrel. By matching the skin prints to the passenger manifest, investigators were able to conclude that the gun had been in the hand of USAir employee David Burke at the time of impact.
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Gravy said:
LACK OF DEBRIS? Even Killtown knows that's not true. Go to this page and scroll down to debris photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

As for the size of the "debris field," some scraps of paper and cloth were found a few miles away. They were carried by the wind. You clearly don't understand the violence of the impact and explosion. Bones were imbedded in tree trunks.

Please, Wizard, have the respect to do your homework before posting about these things. Your ignorance is astonishing.
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So you say the debris was carried by the wind and boloboffin says it floated on indian lake. Which was it Gravy?
 
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