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AgingYoung said:
KingMerv00,

I forgot to mention once the lawyers start lawyering the waters get real muddied. That's their job.

Most are very sure anyone making the first pmm is going to be insanely rich. I don't think that's how it will pan out. Inventors have had their ideas ignored for quite a period of time or stolen.

My main point is, 'why take that risk?' I can't see any benefit.

Gene
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I suppse the benefit is that, with an influx of ideas, he might actually get it built instead of being stuck in eternal limbo.

Also, if he is really is the inventor, no one else can patent his PMM. Worst case scenario, he could get into the PMM business but not have a monopoly.

Btw, there is nothing stopping him from applying TODAY. He doesn't need a prototype. Then he can blab all he likes and no one can take it away from him.
 
LordoftheLeftHand said:
I designed one too! Want to see my design? As you can see, this configuration should put out enough energy to power the television and a small city's powergrid!


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You need some kind of feedback to reduce the volume on that commercial when the power demand drops or you'll have a meltdown.
 
KingMerv00 said:
Btw, there is nothing stopping him from applying TODAY. He doesn't need a prototype. Then he can blab all he likes and no one can take it away from him.
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Perpetual motionWP
Patents
Devising such inoperable machines has become common enough that the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for perpetual motion machines without a working model. One reason for this concern, according to various skeptics, is that a few "inventors" have used official patents to convince gullible potential investors that their machine is "approved" by the Patent Office.
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Gene
 
AgingYoung said:
Perpetual motionWP


Gene
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Well I learned something today. Apparently, something has managed to convince the US Patent Office that PMMs are impossible. Must have been every scientific discovery ever.

I'm not usually in favor of government oppression but I kinda like it in this situation.
 
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KingMerv,

KingMerv00 said:
Well I learned something today. Apparently, something has managed to convince the US Patent Office that PMMs are impossible. Must have been every scientific discovery ever.

I'm not usually in favor of government oppression but I kinda like it in this situation.
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I would question 'every scientific discovery' but I do agree it's a good policy for the patent office to require a working model.

Gene
 
allmee1 said:
I might send the plans to JREF to see if i win.
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It's impossible to win the Randi without first entering it. If you want to enter you'll need a notarized application, a working model and three notarized affidavits from three different professionals stating there is no monkey business as far as they can tell. jref might forgo the affidavits but I'm sure you'll need a model.

Gene

edit: I just looked over the application and it seems jref might be willing to waive the affidavit requirement ....
  1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. NOTE: Prior to preliminary testing, an applicant may be required to provide three notarized affidavits from persons who have witnessed the claimed paranormal phenomenon. These witnesses must be educated working professionals such as doctors, nurses, therapists, researchers, psychologists, lawyers, educators etc. This last requirement may be either waived or required at the sole discretion of the JREF. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
 
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allmee,

You don't know me from adam but let me give you some free advice.

allmee1 said:
What would your thouets be if i posted the plans in this forum
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Don't do this.

Now let me give you some clue as to who I am. A friend of mine (Gusto) is the cause of me considering the very idea of perpetual motion. His understanding is that what ever I or he manages to do with the idea will be split between us. My very mentioning of this idea establishes the fact that if I were to manage a solution and entered the Randi I would be obligated to give him $500,000 (If I could manage to fulfill the requirements of the contract). So who is adam and who am I? I'm the sort that considers my word to be very valuable. If I wanted to screw my friend I would never mention this. I would never attempt to establish this fact. I would let my friend think what every he wanted to. I'm not that sort.

Contrary to what some think if you do manage a solution to this idea collecting any benefit will be very difficult. I've given it quite a bit of thought. I probably disagree with Randi on most things so much that we could be considered polar opposites. The single thing I probably agree with him is 'what is truth?' The most rabid Randite in existence could never argue that Randi isn't interested in the truth.

If you would want an honest, uncompensated opinion feel free to pm me.

Gene
 
KingMerv,

I have a fascinating idea you might enjoy but it's going to take me a little bit of time to put it together.

Gene
 
I will be posting the planes on my site later on.
the site is (h t t p : / / w w w . unlimitedenergy . i8 .com)
 
On that site you claim your device has no byproducts.

You realize that heat and noise are byproducts right?

LLH
 
allmee1 said:
I will be posting the planes on my site later on.
the site is (h t t p : / / w w w . unlimitedenergy . i8 .com)
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Thanks much!

I just checked your web site (www.unlimitedenergy.i8.com) and I did not see any plans posted.

However, I would enjoy looking at what you have come up with and providing my evaluation. So please post that data when you get a chance.
 
allmee1 said:
The first one i designed was a device that users water.
The second users only metal
The third is similar to the second but hopfully patentadle.
To patent it globaly would cost a lot which i dont have.
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I have a solution for your dilemma. Build a prototype. Put it in a box under lock and key so no one can see it. Hook it up to your neighbors' houses and provide them with all the energy they need at the cost of $50 per month per household. It will not be long before you have enough money to file for a patent.

Don't forget to let us know how that works out.
 
Good point Nobbs. Also you could sell power to the power company. They are required to buy it from you in many places.

LLH
 
allmee1 said:
What would your thouets be if i posted the plans in this forum
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That would be good. We could all explain to you the absolutely basic errors you made. If you pay attention and are polite and reasonable, you could even learn something - there are a lot of bright people here with educations in many different fields.

Of course, if your plans actually worked, then posting them here would be a bad idea. But we already know they don't work. Even you already know they don't work. Because if you even, for a minute, actually thought they did work, you would build one.
 
allmee1 said:
I could show the designs but i have not a patent, and will lose
any hopes of patenting it.
I would like to patint it globaly.
any ideas?
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Yes. Consult with Joe Newman. He has about 30 years up on you, in trying to get his product patented and to market. He could save you a lot of grief...er..well, you and he would probably have each others shoulders to cry on. :)
 
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