Clean Unlimited Energy

Crossbow said:
Thanks much!

I just checked your web site (www.unlimitedenergy.i8.com) and I did not see any plans posted.

However, I would enjoy looking at what you have come up with and providing my evaluation. So please post that data when you get a chance.
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Oh, man!
That brought back memories of when I designed PMMs decades ago.
Remember, charge by the hour, not by the result!

Here's my Hydraulic Operated Wheel - HOW for short.

HOW Diagram One

See how all the water is on the left side.
The wheel turns counterclockwise and looks like the next diagram.
No water flows through the center of the wheel when it turns, by the way.

HOW Diagram Two

See the freely moving pistons on the upper left and lower right.
They fall because of a hole in the middle of the wheel lets water through.
When the pistons hit bottom, it looks like the first diagram.

Never built it.
Gosh, did I do that on a Apple II?
I don't remember.

P.S. Never build a perpetual motion machine based upon Quantum Mechanics. It's a stinking salt desert, nothing will grow there, not even the Casimir Engine. Work with General Relativity, truely wonderful fertile ground!

Cheers! :)
 
allmee1 said:
Any one else want to check the plans.
Already sent it to two people.
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Just to let everyone know, 'allmee1' was nice enough to send me some data regarding his ideas.

Thanks much 'allmee1'!

I have requested that he provide some additional information so that I can make a proper evaluation.
 
Solitaire said:
Oh, man!
That brought back memories of when I designed PMMs decades ago.
Remember, charge by the hour, not by the result!

Here's my Hydraulic Operated Wheel - HOW for short.

HOW Diagram One

See how all the water is on the left side.
The wheel turns counterclockwise and looks like the next diagram.
No water flows through the center of the wheel when it turns, by the way.

HOW Diagram Two

See the freely moving pistons on the upper left and lower right.
They fall because of a hole in the middle of the wheel lets water through.
When the pistons hit bottom, it looks like the first diagram.

Never built it.
Gosh, did I do that on a Apple II?
I don't remember.

P.S. Never build a perpetual motion machine based upon Quantum Mechanics. It's a stinking salt desert, nothing will grow there, not even the Casimir Engine. Work with General Relativity, truely wonderful fertile ground!

Cheers! :)
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That's cool.
Too bad fluid flow is notorious for viscoelastic energy losses. :)
 
A nasty dwarf with a battle axe is between you and Dennis. He bellows at you, 'you will never make it to Dennis with that flask, alive!'

Gene
 
joobz,

I don't wonder why. The moment I go for the flask the nasty, thermodynamically empowered dwarf will axe me, 'why are you going for my flask!?' He will axe me and axe me until I'm a bloody pulp! Too many questions drives Dr. WooPi unto a state of irrationality.

It's either that or I'll wait until someone lets the cat out of the bag. Here kitty, kitty, kitty...

Gene
 
I have added the plans to my site check it out.
(www . unlimitedenergy . i8 . com)
Please comment
 
allmee1 said:
I have added the plans to my site check it out.
(www . unlimitedenergy . i8 . com)
Please comment
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Thank you for posting your plans. a few questions
1.) What drives the water cascade through the system?
2.) How do you elliminate the viscous dissipation of the water flow?
 
AgingYoung said:
joobz,

I don't wonder why. The moment I go for the flask the nasty, thermodynamically empowered dwarf will axe me, 'why are you going for my flask!?' He will axe me and axe me until I'm a bloody pulp! Too many questions drives Dr. WooPi unto a state of irrationality.

It's either that or I'll wait until someone lets the cat out of the bag. Here kitty, kitty, kitty...

Gene
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The bag of kittens turns out to be tribbles. You now have a rapidly multipling infestation of pink, blue and purple fluffy things that threatens to block your exits. Crazed entropic drawf continues to persue you..
What do you do? what do you do?
 
allmee1 said:
Hello

I have a couple theories for perpetual motion.
What would be good software for testing them.
Free software would be better.
Thank you for your time.
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well...clean unlimited energy isn't actually *completely* against the physical laws of the universe.

there's nuclear fusion, which can be done, but never at a good enough efficiency to overcome all the energy needed to contain and induce it.

There's also some stuff in the quantum world that may allow for creating energy based on the state of particles...of course it's theoretical, it only applies to subatomic stuff (can't really be scaled up to macroscopic) and whatnot... Also..there's usually some constraint that prevents it from being useful.

Then there's the whole dark and energy thing...and stuff involving matter and energy acting differently in massive gravitational fields....which nobody can even agree on it's existence or not. Also...doesn't seem to be too useful on a managable scale.

I suppose if "clean unlimited energy" means getting it from somewhere other than from nothing then that can work. So if you have developed some sort of super-efficient thermocouple or a managable, cheap tidal-power system, or something else that could somehow work with an existing source...well that doesn't violate any laws. Too bad though that thus far no such sources have proven to have an energy density great enough to be a "magic bullet"


So...there ya go
 
allmee1 said:
I have added the plans to my site check it out.
(www . unlimitedenergy . i8 . com)
Please comment
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Okay...so if I understand this...which I think I sortof do. Then, the thing spins, and the centripetal acceleration will cause an increased pressure moving outward and thus the angled noels will channel the water, causing it to spray up, under pressure...like a sprinkler?

And the idea is to recollect this water back into the system?

Well...okay...I'm real sorry, but there's quite a bit wrong with the idea. Without getting into friction or the recollecting of the water..

Assuming you get this thing to spin fast enough, then the water may be sprayed up, but after falling back down, there is no net energy gain. The water will return to the vessel, but that doesn't make it spin any more.

Assuming you could conserve all the momentum, with none being lost to friction or anything, you still would not be gaining energy, because the water goes up and makes an arc and then ends up back where it was. The only thing keeping the system moving would be the inertia which would not keep it going long.

Of course...that's in a perfect senerio... in reality, I doubt it would even begin to work.
 
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1).When spun gravity will drive it
2).sorry but what do you mean by the viscous dissipation of the water flow.


(post 93)
do you see the propellers on the plans thay are connected to the base.
spun fast enough gravity will keep the presser up high enough to keep it going.
 
allmee1 said:
(post 90)
1).When spun gravity will drive it
2).sorry but what do you mean by the viscous dissipation of the water flow.
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It's effectively the fluid equivalent to friction. When you have fluid flow, the molecules of that fluid will bounce off each other and the walls of the container they are flowing through. These collisions dissipate the momentum and energy that they possess. This effect is actually quite dramatic and you can lose a lot of energy during the flow.
 
Weird...

So, let's say we don't count the energy needed to spin it up (I always assume that PMMs can be allowed some intialization energy)...

Assuming that you can get it going fast enough so that water is moving up the inclines fast enough to maintain a pressure to shoot in a jet... won't there be splash off the canopy? Once out of the inclined jets and splashing off the canopy, water pressure won't be maintained unless you're somehow directing this into... meh... nevermind...

:boggled:
 
( post 96)
Its the spin which keeps the presser up and the propellers inhibit it even more, and the propellers keep it spining and turn generators

( post 97)
same as post the above, The canopy directs the flow back into the main chamber.
 
If you post it on other sites can you please post the site addreses here
so i can check them to.
Thank you.
 
joobz said:
...Crazed entropic drawf continues to persue you..
What do you do? what do you do?
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I wait for entropy to maximize thereby crystallizing the colloidal suspension of a dwarf; then feed its diminutive butt to all the tribbles. I get Scottie on my communicator and request to be beamed 'up' to make my escape from this madness.

allmee1,

wm2d couldn't be used to model your idea. It doesn't have a fluid capability.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to look at your idea. It seems like centrifugal force is being used to force the water from the reservoir in the middle out and up the propellers to cause rotation.....giving more centrifugal force ....causing it to spin faster, faster, etc....

I don't see any benefit for the liquid to leave the propellers entering the atmosphere then splashing back down in the reservoir in the middle (causing turbulence, friction, or loss). Also at some point in the process if the fluid branched into parallel near microscopic tubes you could recombine the flow into a larger passage of laminar flow. The splitting of the flow would be a restriction and need energy but the recombined, laminar flow would move more efficiently.

Your idea is like a vortex. At the bottom of the vortex you're counting on the increased speed of the flow to create a pressure great enough to force the fluid back to the top. The greater concentration of fluid in the reservoir with the help of centrifugal force increases the speed of the fluid thru the restriction of the propellers.

All that said it seems like one of those spinning water sprinklers that shoots the water straight up into a reservoir that is using the pressure of the reservoir to cause it to spin to be able to shoot the water back into the reservoir, etc. The larger the reservoir the more inertia it will have to overcome; the more sloshing around of the fluid also.

My honest opinion is that it won't work.

Gene
 
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