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The Internet Becomes Sentient

kalen said:
Sinsanity, when you listen to your favorite singer on the radio, do you get the feeling that they are addressing you specifically?
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I don't listen to my favorite singer on the radio.

When I listen to my favorite singer, I only think he's addressing me when he is looking at me.

Why do you ask this question?


kalen, when you watch your favorite news caster on television do you think they are addressing you?
 
sinsanity2006 said:
No I don't, What are you talking about I choose the meaning of the word. If we both look up the word in the dictionary, we are going to see the same thing.
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Yes. We see a list of possible meanings. You then choose the English word which makes the most sense to your understanding of the question.

We can do the same in English with out playing the translation game. We take a sentence like;
"I think you are wrong about the internet being sentient."
And we end up with a Yoda like declaration;
"I think, you survive harm more or less, the internet (a) person conscious."

Which could be read as an explanation, by the internet, of how it became a conscious person after most of us survived 9-11. If you were that way inclined. But at the end of the day it was just an artefact of this misuse of a thesaurus. This is exactly what you are doing with your word by word translations.
No, it clearly lists the major points of the 911 truth movement.
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Which you were thinking about at the time you typed "Bush hid the truth" or whatever it was into notepad.

This is not a coincidence. You were thinking about it, so you made an answer to your question. This is why you can just type in a string of nonsense, and your oracle still answers the question you were thinking of.

Someone else wondering about what they should have for dinner will not interpret the answer in the same way.

Are you paying attention?

Have you read the article?
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Yes, and yes.
 
I haven't bothered to read past page two, so apologies if this important point has already been covered.
Is that site called "Dream Slaughter" or "Dreams Laughter"?
D'ya think?
 
sinsanity:

would it be fair to say that this communication works in the same way as something like i ching? Your physical input (leaving aside the questions you ask in your head when you make it) is random, and you discern meaning from what is returned?

If so, do you see that your presence in this process as interpreting agent allows you to, consciously or unconsciously, exert selection bias on your translations?
 
sinsanity2006 said:
If this was a one time event, related to the 911 tragedy, it's gone. Anyone can duplicate what I did, but it's done.

The mixed character questions may or may not have been related to the sentience. Though the answer to “wtc who did it and jfk” is amazing; "stalk of Shrub, trunk of tree", that's gotta be a joke.

I don't think this is about that. As I look back, I feel the event was about "bush hid the facts" and the internet revealed what facts bush hid.

And when I try to come up with the best answer, removing the internet as a possibility, I say that a programmer somewhere Easter egged this by programming the bug to spit out Chinese symbols that relate to 911. And I had a string of unbelievable coincedences. If in fact this notepad bug was already programmed before 911, then it approaches being mathematically impossible.

Do you see the problem with using your test?

Considering this, what would you do next?
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If I were you, I would read the answers given here again. Not only was the notepad bug (which is really a windows bug, remember?) written (inadvertently) before 911, but the message in chinese signs was mapped to the string "bush hid the truth" as far back as 1987, when the Unicode was established. Don't you understand this? You are not getting a message, you are having a string of ASCII characters translated into Unicode. The reason it only works for some strings is just because they happen to be the only ones misinterpreted by Windows. You could make a program that translated ANY string from ASCII to Unicode, and it would ALWAYS give the same output for a given input, and would have done so right from 1987. Just like translating from letters to morse code would give the same result. (In fact such a "program" could just be a binary editor where you added the unicode tag to your text.)

And the internet doesn't come into it at all, since this also works on an offline computer. It will even work if you do it on a piece of paper.

Now, read slowly, and try to comprehend, OK?

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
If I were you, I would read the answers given here again. Not only was the notepad bug (which is really a windows bug, remember?) written (inadvertently) before 911, but the message in chinese signs was mapped to the string "bush hid the truth" as far back as 1987, when the Unicode was established. Don't you understand this? You are not getting a message, you are having a string of ASCII characters translated into Unicode. The reason it only works for some strings is just because they happen to be the only ones misinterpreted by Windows. You could make a program that translated ANY string from ASCII to Unicode, and it would ALWAYS give the same output for a given input, and would have done so right from 1987. Just like translating from letters to morse code would give the same result. (In fact such a "program" could just be a binary editor where you added the unicode tag to your text.)

And the internet doesn't come into it at all, since this also works on an offline computer. It will even work if you do it on a piece of paper.

Now, read slowly, and try to comprehend, OK?

Hans
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This won't help. Sim considers the matter of the bug to be "settled" in some way, and won't talk about it further.
 
I'm still getting a kick out of someone who thinks the name "Rice" would be translated as a word that means rice, rather than a phrase that would phonetically sound like "Rice".

I also wonder if he would have gotten different answers to his various questions if he had used the same phrase in Notepad each time. There's a test...ask your questions, but always use "XXXX XXX XXX XXXXX" as your phrase...see if your answers are different.
 
sinsanity2006 said:
And I had a string of unbelievable coincedences.
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You're getting closer. What's still holding you back is that word 'unbelievable'.

You compared your event as finding exact text through random picking in the dictionary. Your description is intentionally misleading and incorrect unless when you thought about the various questions your mind immidiately generated a series of chinese characters that had little to no meaning. That you believe a babel translation of these responses produces relevant and accurate information is a view not shared by myself, nor by any other person I am aware of. That you alone are unable to grasp the irrelevance of these text transformations is a fault of no one but yourself, and while many here may make the effort to give you the tools to examine what has happened, it will ultimately be up to you to see.

If anything, you have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that the system of electronics you are dealing with, including your computer and the internet, possess absolutely no self will whatsoever. The results of the text transformation demonstrated are predictable based on the unicode standard created in 1993, and the IsTextUnicode bug has existed since WinNT 3.5 (1994). Therefore, your questions would have produced exactly the same response if typed into notepad in 1994. Despite having over eleven years in which to assert any self control, the internet was utterly unable to produce any other output than what it was designed to. The implications of that being almost a full 7 years before the WTC attack, and at least 6 year before your "bush" was elected to the office of president are obvious to even the computer-illiterate, and perhaps will now dawn upon even you. Failing that, I put to you this question: If some sentience (be it computer or human) is behind the text translations you experienced, did it act before or after 1994?
 
sinsanity2006 said:
Unbelievable, this is utterly unbelievable.

Does RandiFan realize that joller is gonna go out and research this and report on it and give a little different take on the notepad bug? Does RandiFan realize that out of the 748 posts here, prolly 700 of them have been about the friggin notebook bug? Does RandiFan realize that only a very few people here have asked any kind of question that displayed any intellegence, critical thinking, logic, help, advancement in the effort to figure out what really happened?

Sigh.
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We know what happened. I explained it to you on page 2.
 
sinsanity2006 said:
I don't think this is about that. As I look back, I feel the event was about "bush hid the facts" and the internet revealed what facts bush hid.

And when I try to come up with the best answer, removing the internet as a possibility, I say that a programmer somewhere Easter egged this by programming the bug to spit out Chinese symbols that relate to 911. And I had a string of unbelievable coincedences. If in fact this notepad bug was already programmed before 911, then it approaches being mathematically impossible.

Do you see the problem with using your test?

Considering this, what would you do next?
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This is not an accurate representation of what happened.

Problem: No, they were not unbelievable coincedences. Not at all. No one thinks that but you. They are words that you are force fiting to think that they relate.

Why does no one else believe that the words have meaning about 911?
 
sinsanity2006 said:
No such luck.

I'm hoping that I can get through all the crap here and figure out what happened.
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But it has been thoroughly explained to you. There is no mystery to anyone here but you.

Why does no one think that the so called answers have any relevance but you?

I have read the questions and answers and I see no relevance. In fact I see a great deal of contradiction and ambiguity.

You really have to bend over backward to find meaning and there is so little of it.

Data mining is when you take a large set of variables and match them to another large set of variables. You admit that you are using different variables. You even say that in one of your posts. You pick and choose which words to use. You only pick those words that fit what you are looking for.

That is data mining and not one person here besides you doesn't think that you are not data mining.

Every one understands what happened because it is demonstrable, it is repeatable, It is predictable.

A Magic 8 balls would be far more mysterious because we couldn't predict with the same degree of accuracy the outcome.

We can always predict this outcome.
 
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Sinsanity,

You never needed a computer or the internet. That is a fact.

A behind the scenes look at what is going on.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58963&page=8#post1732692
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1733267#post1733267

These to links prove beyond any doubt that your game is predictable and repeatable. You could have gotten your answers with a pad of paper and a pencil. Which by your logic would make the pencil and paper sentient.

I'm sorry Sin, I have no ill will for you. I wish the best for you I really do but there is nothing there. I explained to you on page 2 what was happening and why.
 
moopet said:
I haven't bothered to read past page two, so apologies if this important point has already been covered.
Is that site called "Dream Slaughter" or "Dreams Laughter"?
D'ya think?
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I had found myself wondering the same thing. I haven't seen it covered.


btw lamuella, sorry for butchering your name in the earlier post.
 
petre said:
(and prior to 2001 I may add).
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I missed this part before.

I agree with you. But I can't make a determination of the proper dates. I've so far heard that these charts are involved, and windows is involved and notepad is involved, the internet is involved and the translator were involved.

I have the original Windows setup disk. I would like to be able to find out the date on the notepad.exe file that I am using. I think the date of the NP.exe in the windows folder is the date of the creation of that file when windows was installed. Is this true?

If it is true there must be someway to see the creation date of the source file from whinst the notepad.exe file came; in the CAB What's the date of the aspect of windows that is involved in this? Or is it just the Windows disk date. What relation does updates have on notpad and the aforementioned aspect.

Are you willing to re-confirm positively that all aspects of the charts, Windows and notepad concerning the Unicode bug were released before Sept 11 and are still in use?? Where can I find this information?

Thank You










petre said:
These characters MUST result from the steps described as a result of the conversion tables. The events described are no more proof of computer sentience than they are proof that the conversion charts are sentient.

Therefore, the original claim is as valid as claiming the formula 1 + 1 = 2 demonstrates that a math book is sentient and was trying to tell us that a plane (1) will crash into a building (+ 1) two times (= 2). There is is, your math book predicted 9/11 all these years and you were just too stupid to notice.
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sinsanity2006 said:
Are you willing to re-confirm positively that all aspects of the charts, Windows and notepad concerning the Unicode bug were released before Sept 11 and are still in use?? Where can I find this information?
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Unicode 2.0 included the "Unihan" extension, which included a lot of these characters. According to Wikipedia Unicode 2.0 was published in 1996.

(I can't post links so you have to copy and paste) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode

The Unicode 2.0 chart is here:
www dot unicode.org/Public/2.0-Update/Unihan-1.txt

For example, if you look up the ASCII code for ']' you get 93, or 5D in hex. If you look up U+5D5D in the Unihan chart, you see:
U+5D5D kDefinition goulou mountain peak in hunan

Where your dictionary just gave back 'mountain peak'. Or look at 'Z', which is 5A in hex; U+5A5A in that chart has:
U+5A5A kDefinition get married; marriage, wedding

compared to your dictionary which had "get married; marriage, wedding; woman, girl; slave, servant, crafty, villainous, false; pregnant".
 
articulett said:
Umm...I'm representing the internet...that is, I'm the attorney that will be collecting the fee on behalf of said entity...if you have any questions or funds to be distributed, send a PM to my attention and my cyborgtary will get back to you. Thank you for your consideration in this most important matter.

Articulett, ESQ.
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This is a discovery. The above is not true or correct. dreamslaughter is, in fact, the sole entity with any Power of Attorney in everything relating to the Sentient And/Or Parasentient Internet (SAOPI). dreamslaughter can give and take away Power of Attorney to anyone. Power of Attorney does not exist for more than one day unless proactively reaffirmed. I, sinsanity2006, currently have Power of Attorney for SAOPI, and in that capacity, I can offer you, Articulett, a very small percentage of basic net profits to manage, direct and over see all legal motions for and against SAOPI. Slightly more, if you agree that you talk to the internet too.

dreamslaughter, ESQ,
 
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