The Internet Becomes Sentient

[LotusMegami]

A brief demonstration:

The question is: How should I go about finding a good man, who would make a good match for me?

To answer this question, I will open my Kanji reference book to five random characters.

MEI - alliance
hirogaru - broaden
nengoro - friendly, familiar
JUN - circulate
GYOU - concentrate

Interpretation: THe reading clearly indicates that I need to broaden my horizens and circulate amongst more people. I need to make alliances and become becomes friends with more people. I also need to concentrate my efforts on seeking a man.

It's especially fun to do I Ching readings for fictional people. I can always make it fit.

 

[Sal The Butcher]

im pretty sure its just a programming error that prevents anything in the form of 'XXXX XXX XXX XXXXX' from being saved

 

[RandFan]

im pretty sure its just a programming error...

Sal,

There is no reason to simply be pretty sure. You can be damn sure:

A behind the scenes look at what is going on.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58963&page=8#post1732692
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1733267#post1733267


Sinsanity, in case you are ever reading this ^ see the above two links, that IS emperical.

Website resources:
this api can break
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notepad
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/bush-hid-the-facts-notepad.html

 

[sinsanity2006]

RandFan, I *think* I can clear this up, since it seems sinsanity is misunderstanding your question. When he writes,



I took that to mean:
1. He said aloud (as opposed to typing) "What to do about it?"
2. He typed in "OOOO OOO OOO OOOOO" and did the Chinese thing
3. He looked up the resulting Chinese characters and got "summon; to pass on;" etc.

sinsan, I don't want to put words in your mouth so please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes,

Thanks, wybili

Thanks for bring a bit of sentience to this discussion.

You are one of only two or three people here that has said anything reasonable.

You rock.

Thanks again.



<3

 

[sinsanity2006]

Wow, ok, thanks. That explains the xxxx xxx xxx xxxxx

But why then did he write:

Is he saying that there are many ways to communicate with the paranormal entity?

Thank you, that really was confusing, assuming you are right.

Oh, wybili, what did he use for Where did they do it from?

I'll go back to his web site to see if I can figure it out.

RandFan, I *think* I can clear this up, since it seems sinsanity is misunderstanding your question. When he writes,



I took that to mean:
1. He said aloud (as opposed to typing) "What to do about it?"
2. He typed in "OOOO OOO OOO OOOOO" and did the Chinese thing
3. He looked up the resulting Chinese characters and got "summon; to pass on;" etc.

sinsan, I don't want to put words in your mouth so please correct me if I am wrong.

!!

 

[sinsanity2006]

Ok, I'm just out of sequence.

Ok, I'm with you so far, now,



Here's where I'm a bit fuzzy. He thinks "who did the wtc?"

Then what happens?
Does he type "aaaa aaa aaa aaaaa" into the computer?

What happens between the thought (the question) and the answer?

That's where I'm not getting this.

RandFan, I *think* I can clear this up, since it seems sinsanity is misunderstanding your question. When he writes,



I took that to mean:
1. He said aloud (as opposed to typing) "What to do about it?"
2. He typed in "OOOO OOO OOO OOOOO" and did the Chinese thing
3. He looked up the resulting Chinese characters and got "summon; to pass on;" etc.

sinsan, I don't want to put words in your mouth so please correct me if I am wrong.

!!!

 

[joller]

Yes,

Thanks, wybili

Thanks for bring a bit of sentience to this discussion.

You are one of only two or three people here that has said anything reasonable.

You rock.

Thanks again.



<3

How did you manage to miss the points that exactly explain how the chinese symbols are interpreted, where they come from and what the actual problem is?
They had some links to follow to, if the description was still confusing.
What I'm claiming here, is that I can predict exactly what the answer from the translator will be, as soon as you'll show me the text you put in notepad.
It's a simple conversion algorithm, and if I can repeat it giving exactly the same results without using the translator (I can show you the chinese symbols without using the translator or notepad or anything else) that should convince you that there is no othe 'being' you're talking to.

 

[RandFan]

Yes,

Thanks, wybili

Thanks for bring a bit of sentience to this discussion.

You are one of only two or three people here that has said anything reasonable.

But this leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Are you willing to answer them?

Here are 4 of them to start with.

1.) Why was this so hard? Why didn't you simply state that you were communicating telepathically to the computer?

2.) Why use the computer at all? If you can communicate telepathically with the computer then what is the point?

3.) Do you understand now that everything that you did as far as typing and the computer response has an explanation and can be absolutely predicted and replicated?

4.) Do you realize that you used the word "empirical" when you had no right to? Telepathy is not an empirical discipline. There is no way to connect your "telepathy" to the "xxx" or "ooo". You simply assigned the response to the thought.

These are important. Please answer them.

RandFan

 

[RandFan]

I thought it was a funny coencidence...

And that is all it is, a coincidence.

You still dont understand what's going on here.

I do, it can be demonstrated that you are data mining.

Please, we both know what the bug is, why it happens and that it exists. Can we please move past that and to the real issue.

Sinsanity, I hate to break it to you but there is no other issue. What is happening is well understood. We can predict the outcome of any of your questions and we can explain precisely why they are happening which is what I have said since page 2.

No, I am not talking about 9/11. I'm talking about a software bug that is fully understood. That will give the same characters to the same series of 4-3-3-5 letters and we know why. It can be predicted because the letters are mapped and we know why it is doing what it is doing.

ETA: I concede that my wording might not be precise but I got the gist of it.

 

[joller]

2.) Why use the computer but at all? If you can communicate telepathically with the computer then what is the point?

The method describd here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1734722&postcount=301
will give you similar results (or actually better, since it has a random component, and the notepad one does not) and will leave no place for any illusion of another being answering your questions (unless you believe another being controls the randomness)

 

[gtc]

I think this is all very interesting.

Is it possible to show that the bug existed prior to 2001 or prior to the planning of 911?

If so, it makes it unlikely that the bug was created in order to give Sinsanity information about 911.

The other thing I would like more information on, is how Sinsanity formulated the questions to be typed into wordpad. I know some of the questions could be typed into wordpad directly, like bush hid the facts. But others questions seem to require some kind of processing before being typed into wordpad.

It also doesn't seem to be relevant to argue that Sinsanity only sees a connection between the translated chinese characters and 911 because he was reading up on the conspiracy theories at the time. In Sinsanity's view, that is simply the reason why the internet chose to pass this information to Sinsanity.

If we accept that the bug was hidden in notepad in order to get information out about 911; then it makes more sense to assume the bug was placed there by an employee of microsoft who thought they knew the truth. This is a simpler explanation than assuming the internet developed sentinence and placed the bug there. I would like to know if Sinsanity has any evidence for the more complex theory.

In summary I think Sinsanity should think about the following:
a) is it likely that the internet achieved sentinence?
b) is it likely that the internet placed the bug in notepad, rather than an employee of microsoft, or no one at all?
c) is your method for turning your questions into entries in notepad realistic? Is it possible that you subconciously selected questions that gave interesting answers? Were there any questions that you entered that gave boring answers? If so, how many?
d) are your translations of the notepad responses entirely accurate? Are there possible translations that you are ignoring because they don't relate to 911? Have you had to work hard to relate the translations to 911?

If you think that your thinking was unreasonable at any stage, then you might want to consider what you can do about it.

 

[sinsanity2006]

Hate to tell you, Sinsanity, but again you are pulling correlations out of your imagination. Those stories are old news. I first heard about the facial pattern recognition software they refer to months ago. Long before you ever posted here.

lol, you crack me up, lol

I said news article, Any chance you understand the difference between "news article" and all other words in the English language.
Of frigging course you could have heard of it before I posted it here,

 

[RandFan]

The other thing I would like more information on, is how Sinsanity formulated the questions to be typed into wordpad.

This is a mistake on your part. You see, he didn't type the questions into notepad. He communicated his question to the computer telepathically. He used xxxx-xxx-xxx-xxxxx and/or oooo-ooo-ooo-ooooo or some other letter to represent the question. What I don't know and what I'm trying to find out is how he selected which letter and why? He refuses to answer questions that are in the article but the article is very difficult to read. You might want to try it. I have no idea why he won't answer questions.

 

[gtc]

Randfan,

I was trying to ask how he decided on xxx etc too, thanks for expressing it more clearly.

 

[sinsanity2006]

Hey sup?

You figure out who Rice is yet? I think it's been about 24 hours.

First: Thank you for reading and answering my questions, I'm not going to reply to all your replies or we'll end up with some really long posts...

I still don't see where you've 'asked' the internet any questions - direct or otherwise... Emphasis mine.

If you have read the article and you don't understand this, we can't have a discussion

Try this as a thought exercise - clear your mind and look at the list again looking for a correlation with scientology (a topic i'm reading about at the moment). Do you see how the words fit with scientology, maybe even better?

No

Ok, I get how you've linked the words with 911. Do you see how these words could be linked with many other events or disasters?

would you accept showing you how they can relate to a wide variety of subjects other than 9/11? would you accept showing that they can all relate to a randomly chose subject with the same degree of correlation as to 9/11?

Yes, I can accept that they can be related to other subjects. But that is like me saying, "okay lets talk about poker" then you say "queen." I can relate that to poker, but you might be talking about a guy that dresses in drag that plays poker. In that situation, I would apply queen to the card in a deck, and that's what I did in this situation. If you said "let's talk about how the world will end." I say "comet", you may say, "well that's a cleaning powder." That's would be a misstep in logic. A cleaning powder isn't logical to end the world, although many in here could come up with some nonsensical excuse to explain how the powder would end the world. The logical relationship would be that I was talking about a comet hit by a celestial object. So if we go down this path, please don't pull that kind of illogic on me like others here consistently do. and can we go to the brown part of the document.

Not a very good choice of words (for the internet to choose) - i would describe that probably as 'burning to death'.

Sure, I think you can choose the Chinese characters better than the internet, And that will be easy for you to do. I'll wait here while you run out and find the symbol that represents the concept "burning to death".

The people that are helping here, have read the article and and are paying attention, know that we are working with the Kanxi dictionary. there are 46,964 or so characters in it.

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Many-Chinese-Characters-Are-There?&id=17146

I spent a few minutes to check it out, I went to:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

and translated "burning to death" from English to traditional Chinese, here's the translation:

燒對死亡

I tried it with just "burn to beath", here's the translation:

燒傷對死亡

Then I went to WordLingo and tried "burn to death" and "burning to death".

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html

燒對死亡

燒傷到死亡

I then translated "to roast" from English into Chinese, here's the result:

烤

Ok - i get the concept of memes... Thank you.
I've never heard the word viral in that slang context before.

Cool, thank you for the thank you.

I didn't move them as such - i just lumped them together at the end because: you can put these with any other words in the context of almost any event of any sort and they'll fit perfectly - you understand that right?

If you are saying that if you move words around in a sentence, it will not change the meaning of sentence, of course I don't agree with you.

If you put words in two groups:

(dog, cat, bird, happy, healthy, smart)

and

(dog, cat, bird, fierce, diseased, ignorant)

When you look at those groups do they give you different meanings?

I haven't read the thread up to date (work day's over and i have to go home So someone might have made (and answered) some of these points already, but i can't leave my computer running over night so i'm going to post this reply now.

Cool, thanks for asking some reasonable questions.

 

[gtc]

OK.

I have read the article for a third time and it seems Sinsanity did this:

He first of all typed some statements in directly, e.g.
'bush hid the facts'.

Then he just typed in strings with all the same letters, e.g:
'xxxx xxx xxx xxxxx'

Then he wondered if he was communicating telepathically while typing in a string of capital Ns

The translation of the chinese letters produced from that string convinced him that he was communicating telepathically.

Then he continued to type in strings of charachters, but before each string he thought a particular question that he was wanting to know the answer to.

The translations of the resulting chinese charachters still seemed convincing responses.

If I am correct in my summary, I would like Sinsanity to wonder whether his state of mind at the time could have had anything to do with his conclusion that he was communicating telpathically. I would also like him to consider whether the responses to his questions were really useful. Maybe he should have another look at that section of his document.

 

[sinsanity2006]

The problem is that Sinsanity concedes that there is a computer bug. He things that there is a sentient being (a ghost in the machine if you will) located somewhere in the internet, though there is some confusion as to this bit. In any event Sinsanity believes that this sentient being exploits the computer bug somehow, reads the english text and then supplies an answer in Chinese.

I'm confused how it all is supposed to work though.

Maybe I can help you though. He doesn't really want to discuss the nature of the computer bug or how it might relate to the process. He simply wants you to accept that it is working, working that is as he says it is working, and simply discuss the questions and answers on his site.

http://www.dreamslaughter.com/parasentient/parasentient.htm

To help you, the questions and answers are in brown text and are about halfway down his site. Prior to that he explains how he does what it is that he does.

Though, I must warn you, here is where the confusion sets in. It's really not clear how he asks the computer his questions. There is a great deal of ambiguity as far as I and other can see.

He says that he thinks of a question. He doesn't detail any other steps he simply writes the answer on the site.

So,

1.) Forget that the Notebook bug has any significance.
2.) Look at the questions and answers.
3.) Realize that these are reasonable answers to questions about 911.

Got it?

If so, please, I beg of you, explain it to me?

RandFan just doesn't get it yet.

 

[sinsanity2006]

The problem is that Sinsanity concedes that there is a computer bug. He things that there is a sentient being (a ghost in the machine if you will) located somewhere in the internet, though there is some confusion as to this bit. In any event Sinsanity believes that this sentient being exploits the computer bug somehow, reads the english text and then supplies an answer in Chinese.

I'm confused how it all is supposed to work though.

Maybe I can help you though. He doesn't really want to discuss the nature of the computer bug or how it might relate to the process. He simply wants you to accept that it is working, working that is as he says it is working, and simply discuss the questions and answers on his site.

http://www.dreamslaughter.com/parasentient/parasentient.htm

To help you, the questions and answers are in brown text and are about halfway down his site. Prior to that he explains how he does what it is that he does.

Though, I must warn you, here is where the confusion sets in. It's really not clear how he asks the computer his questions. There is a great deal of ambiguity as far as I and other can see.

He says that he thinks of a question. He doesn't detail any other steps he simply writes the answer on the site.

So,

1.) Forget that the Notebook bug has any significance.
2.) Look at the questions and answers.
3.) Realize that these are reasonable answers to questions about 911.

Got it?

If so, please, I beg of you, explain it to me?

Unbelievable, this is utterly unbelievable.

Does RandiFan realize that joller is gonna go out and research this and report on it and give a little different take on the notepad bug? Does RandiFan realize that out of the 748 posts here, prolly 700 of them have been about the friggin notebook bug? Does RandiFan realize that only a very few people here have asked any kind of question that displayed any intellegence, critical thinking, logic, help, advancement in the effort to figure out what really happened?

Sigh.

 

[sinsanity2006]

Elsewhere in the thread (can't be bothered to re-read it) someone else posted a link to the reason. Long story short: there is a Windows API call that uses heuristics to determine if a text file is in ASCII or Unicode, and it's pretty sketchy on really small files.



RandFan, that is how I understood his explanation. Sort of like a Ouija board I guess.

Yes,

Thanks for some intellegence, critical thinking, logic, help, advancement in the effort to figure out what really happened?



<3

 

[Rasmus]

Unbelievable, this is utterly unbelievable.

That much I can easily agree with ...

Does RandiFan realize that joller is gonna go out and research this and report on it and give a little different take on the notepad bug? Does RandiFan realize that out of the 748 posts here, prolly 700 of them have been about the friggin notebook bug?

Do you realize that every last poster besides you understood why the bug is significant?

Do you realize that there is no room for conciousness, questions and answers beyond what happens in your mind, since the rest of the process is determinated by the nature of the bug?

Do you realize that from the moment you pick what you type into notepad until you see the translations for the kanjis on the internet, the entire process is 100% predictable to the last letter, bit and kanji and translation thereof?

Does RandiFan realize that only a very few people here have asked any kind of question that displayed any intellegence, critical thinking, logic, help, advancement in the effort to figure out what really happened?

As far as i can tell, everybody else is perfectly aware of what really happened, and most of us have a pretty good idea what you think happened, too.

So - are you willing to answer any of the questions that regard your exact procedure?

Have you tried the experiments that others have suggested to you to demonstrate how there is no relation to 911?