P.J. Denyer
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Mojo
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junkshop
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No, just a stupid tradition.
Railing against perceived BBC bias has been a cliché of British politics forever. Anyone taking it at all seriously is a more recent development, really kicking off with the whole Brexit debacle.
catsmate
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Yes but she's inviting a foreign head of state to interfere. Chop her head off, or what about hanging, drawing and quartering?
Mojo
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Nah, just let her make a tit of herself as usual.
junkshop
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Quite. She was PM, and she was an MP, now she is neither: she is just a person spouting inane crap. Those are ten-a-penny.
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P.J. Denyer
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I don't think chopping her head off would make any meaningful difference.
Mike the Headless Chicken - Wikipedia
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Ziggurat
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So? If and when he files suit, the court will not treat him as being any different than any other plaintiff.
Always with the violence. It's intrinsic to the left.
smartcooky
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Every single fact Natasha Hausdorff spoke is well documented, by the BBC themselves no less!
The fact that the BBC jumped to the conclusion that an Israeli missile flattened Dar al-Shifa hospital on 17 October 2023 when it was actually a Hamas missile that fell short of Israel.
The fact that there were already reports online that it was a wayward Hamas missile BEFORE THE BBC TOOK THE STORY TO AIR. The BBC later retracted their claim... but where was BBC Verify?
The fact that after the false reporting, there were riots across the Middle East in which many people died - those are REAL WORLD consequences for the BBC's false reporting!
The fact that about 1/3 of all missiles Hamas fires at Israel fall short of the Israel-Gaza border. Most of them fall in open areas, but unluckily, this one didn't.
The FACT that even after the the BBC's false reporting was revealed, the BBC reporter concerned (Jeremy Bowen) said he had no regrets about making that report. He actually tried to justify it!! He got it wrong, but he doesn't care that he got it wrong.
The FACT that in April and June 2024, the BBC ran stories about mass graves found at two hospitals in Gaza, Nasser Hospital, and the Dar al-Shifa Hospital. In those reports they claimed those mass graves were indicative of Israeli war crimes. Then the truth was revealed. In those mass were dug long before Israel had troops anywhere near those hospitals?
The fact that the BBC knew those mass graves were historical and had nothing to do with Israel, before they aired the story.
In his letter Michael Prescott states, "Claims against Israel seem to be raced to air or online without adequate checks, evidencing either carelessness or a desire always to believe the worst about Israel."
On the evidence I have seen, it is unboubtedly the latter
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
That is an outright, ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, bare-faced lie. FROM YOUR OWN PRECIOUS GUARDIAN!!
Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war
Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000
www.theguardian.com
Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached
53,000Named fighters are really Hamas terrorists - there are probably a LOT more than 8,900 dead terrorists - they will be included in the civilian death toll, which is about 45,000 NOT the 200,000 you lied about. One of the reasons for the high number of civilian casualties is that Hamas are using Gazans at human shields, placing them around tunnel entrances and taking them into tunnels with them (as they did with the hostages). They also have tunnels and command posts under hospitals. There is known to be one under Dar al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City
Again, your precious Guardian reports...
What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?
Israel claims group has placed command centre under hospital and is deliberately shielding behind Palestinian civilians
www.theguardian.com
Is there independent evidence to back up the claims?
Anecdotal and other evidence does suggest that Hamas and other factions have used civilian objects including hospitals and schools. Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.
During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.
Again, if it walks like a duck....
None of the highlighted is actually happening... its just Hamas propaganda that you are swallowing hook and line.
You misspelled that ethnic slur
Kike - Wikipedia
I've attempted a quick clean up, as ever this thread whatever the topic is, it is not about each other. Keep the personalisations out of any discussion.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Darat
Puppycow
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Evidence? Because the Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't say that. Here's what it says:
The Reform Party is not the Democratic party, and registering as a voter with the Democratic party is not the same as "standing for office as a Democrat". I think what you might have meant is that he was once (or more than once) registered to vote as a Democrat. But I don't think he ever ran for office as a Democrat.
catsmate
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Frankly, the whole argument is rather silly.
Blue Bubble
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I like it!
Several more posts moved to AAH. Please keep to the topic, which is not one another, nor one another's political views.
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Emails reveal BBC women complained
Messages dating back five years show female staff raised concerns with bosses but felt rebuffed or ignoredEmails reveal BBC women complained over trans reporting
archived 15 Nov 2025 23:25:24 UTC
I know that you are determined to find any excuse to attack Hamas, but it does your case no favour when you make up facts. Even the IDF didn't claim that it was a Hamas missile that 'flattened' Al-Ahli hospital.Every single fact Natasha Hausdorff spoke is well documented, by the BBC themselves no less!
The fact that the BBC jumped to the conclusion that an Israeli missile flattened Dar al-Shifa hospital on 17 October 2023 when it was actually a Hamas missile that fell short of Israel.
The fact that there were already reports online that it was a wayward Hamas missile BEFORE THE BBC TOOK THE STORY TO AIR. The BBC later retracted their claim... but where was BBC Verify?
The fact that after the false reporting, there were riots across the Middle East in which many people died - those are REAL WORLD consequences for the BBC's false reporting!
The fact that about 1/3 of all missiles Hamas fires at Israel fall short of the Israel-Gaza border. Most of them fall in open areas, but unluckily, this one didn't.
The FACT that even after the the BBC's false reporting was revealed, the BBC reporter concerned (Jeremy Bowen) said he had no regrets about making that report. He actually tried to justify it!! He got it wrong, but he doesn't care that he got it wrong.
The FACT that in April and June 2024, the BBC ran stories about mass graves found at two hospitals in Gaza, Nasser Hospital, and the Dar al-Shifa Hospital. In those reports they claimed those mass graves were indicative of Israeli war crimes. Then the truth was revealed. In those mass were dug long before Israel had troops anywhere near those hospitals?
The fact that the BBC knew those mass graves were historical and had nothing to do with Israel, before they aired the story.
In his letter Michael Prescott states, "Claims against Israel seem to be raced to air or online without adequate checks, evidencing either carelessness or a desire always to believe the worst about Israel."
On the evidence I have seen, it is unboubtedly the latter
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
That is an outright, ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, bare-faced lie. FROM YOUR OWN PRECIOUS GUARDIAN!!
Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war
Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000
Named fighters are really Hamas terrorists - there are probably a LOT more than 8,900 dead terrorists - they will be included in the civilian death toll, which is about 45,000 NOT the 200,000 you lied about. One of the reasons for the high number of civilian casualties is that Hamas are using Gazans at human shields, placing them around tunnel entrances and taking them into tunnels with them (as they did with the hostages). They also have tunnels and command posts under hospitals. There is known to be one under Dar al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City
Again, your precious Guardian reports...
What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?
Israel claims group has placed command centre under hospital and is deliberately shielding behind Palestinian civilians
Is there independent evidence to back up the claims?Anecdotal and other evidence does suggest that Hamas and other factions have used civilian objects including hospitals and schools. Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.
Again, if it walks like a duck....
None of the highlighted is actually happening... its just Hamas propaganda that you are swallowing hook and line.
You misspelled that ethnic slur
Kike - Wikipedia
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1) It was Al-Ahhli hospital not Al-Shifa; all the attacks on Al-Shifa hospital have been made by IDF.
2) The hospital was not flattened, the explosion occurred in the car park / courtyard where people were camping.
3) IDF claimed it was a mis-fire of an Islamic Jihad rocket.
4) you got the date correct.
When the details of your claims are so obviously made up too satisfy your prejudice it makes the rest of your claims dubious. It is why it is important to attach evidence of your claims.
It should be said that the cause of the explosion remains disputed. The misfire of an islamic jihad rocket would seem likely, an Israeli weapon possible.
Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion - Wikipedia
smartcooky
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My bad, but still doesn't change the facts about the BBC's poor reporting!
Nonetheless, the BBC claimed it was flattened - that is the point I was making.
BBC Editor Admits Errors Reporting on Gaza Hospital Explosion, But Says 'I Don't Regret One Thing'
"I got that wrong," the BBC's Jeremy Bowen says of his reporting on the incident initially reported as an Israeli strike.
www.thewrap.com
"On Oct. 17, BBC editor Jeremy Bowen reported that the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza was “flattened” by an Israeli airstrike."
The following is word for word, exactly what he reported...
“The missile hit the hospital not long after dark. You can hear the impact. The explosion destroyed Al-Ahli Hospital. It was already damaged from a smaller attack [on] the weekend. The building was flattened.”
Of course, you won't find this reporting on any BBC website now - the dishonest pricks have removed it. Fortunately other outlets recorded it, and the original BBC page is still available on the Wayback Machine...And despite the fact that US, UK and French military intelligence organizatins concluded that it was a missile fired from Gaza, and NOT and Israeli air strike hat hit the hospital...
The UK said on Monday its assessment, based on intelligence and analysis by weapons experts, was that it was likely a missile fired from within Gaza towards Israel was responsible. French military intelligence also came to this conclusion.The US had already said Israel was not to blame based on "overhead imagery, intercepts and open-source information". The US - along with the UK and France - has not released the evidence that underpins their assessments.
...the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BBC STILL would not back down from their bull-◊◊◊◊ position.
Nine days after the explosion at the car park of Al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City, the exact cause of the blast is still contested.
... and that lying prick Jeremy Bowden still maintains he did nothing wrong, and stands by the way he reported it.
While appearing on the news channel’s “Behind the Stories” on Saturday, Bowen said that though his coverage was not correct, “it broke in, I suppose, mid-evening. And to answer your question, no, I don’t regret one thing in my reporting, because I think, I think I was measured throughout. I didn’t race to judgment,”
Yes, he did race to judgement, because that is his bias (just as it is the BBC's bias. He wanted to get the story out first but in his rush to balme Israel, he ended up getting the story WRONG!!
....and they were totally correct in that assessment...
The Hamas-controlled Palestinian authorities in Gaza accused Israel of hitting the hospital with an air strike. Israel said a misfiring rocket from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) group was to blame
Yes
The consequences of these BBC lies were far reaching. Other news agencies relying on the BBC's "reputation" as a reliable source publishes the false story
Media Struggles in Israel-Gaza War As Real-Time News Drives Deadly Re…
archived 20 Oct 2023 17:40:06 UTC
Nothing was made up - I got the name of the hospital wrong... well boo ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hoo - my bad, so what?
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The IDF are proven liars, their statements are evidence of nothing. It is unclear if other intelligence agencies were basing their opinions on Israeli intelligence sharing or other independent evidence. Published evidence (given in source above) suggests the missile came from the direction of Israel. I don't know, certainly both explanations seem possible.My bad, but still doesn't change the facts about the BBC's poor reporting!
Nonetheless, the BBC claimed it was flattened - that is the point I was making.
BBC Editor Admits Errors Reporting on Gaza Hospital Explosion, But Says 'I Don't Regret One Thing'
"I got that wrong," the BBC's Jeremy Bowen says of his reporting on the incident initially reported as an Israeli strike.
"On Oct. 17, BBC editor Jeremy Bowen reported that the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza was “flattened” by an Israeli airstrike."
The following is word for word, exactly what he reported...
“The missile hit the hospital not long after dark. You can hear the impact. The explosion destroyed Al-Ahli Hospital. It was already damaged from a smaller attack [on] the weekend. The building was flattened.”Of course, you won't find this reporting on any BBC website now - the dishonest pricks have removed it. Fortunately other outlets recorded it, and the original BBC page is still available on the Wayback Machine...
And despite the fact that US, UK and French military intelligence organizatins concluded that it was a missile fired from Gaza, and NOT and Israeli air strike hat hit the hospital...
The UK said on Monday its assessment, based on intelligence and analysis by weapons experts, was that it was likely a missile fired from within Gaza towards Israel was responsible. French military intelligence also came to this conclusion.The US had already said Israel was not to blame based on "overhead imagery, intercepts and open-source information". The US - along with the UK and France - has not released the evidence that underpins their assessments.
...the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BBC STILL would not back down from their bull-◊◊◊◊ position.
Nine days after the explosion at the car park of Al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City, the exact cause of the blast is still contested.
... and that lying prick Jeremy Bowden still maintains he did nothing wrong, and stands by the way he reported it.
While appearing on the news channel’s “Behind the Stories” on Saturday, Bowen said that though his coverage was not correct, “it broke in, I suppose, mid-evening. And to answer your question, no, I don’t regret one thing in my reporting, because I think, I think I was measured throughout. I didn’t race to judgment,”
Yes, he did race to judgement, because that is his bias (just as it is the BBC's bias. He wanted to get the story out first but in his rush to balme Israel, he ended up getting the story WRONG!!
....and they were totally correct in that assessment...
The Hamas-controlled Palestinian authorities in Gaza accused Israel of hitting the hospital with an air strike. Israel said a misfiring rocket from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) group was to blame
Yes
The consequences of these BBC lies were far reaching. Other news agencies relying on the BBC's "reputation" as a reliable source publishes the false story
Media Struggles in Israel-Gaza War As Real-Time News Drives Deadly Re…
archived 20 Oct 2023 17:40:06 UTCarchive.is
Nothing was made up - I got the name of the hospital wrong... well boo ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hoo - my bad, so what?
Do facts matter? This is a skeptic forum, I argue they do.
You got both the name of the hospital wrong, and the alleged perpetrators, your prejudice altered your presentation of the facts you blamed Hamas when not even the IDf blame Hamas. My guess is that your prejudice affected your memory of the facts.
Was the BBC the only organisation to report this? Was accuracy of reporting limited by the Israeli decision to prevent access of independent journalists to Gaza? You attribute violence to the BBC's reporting, perhaps it was other's reports that contributed? It seems more likely arab language sources than English language news would affect the average Arabic speaker.
Are you arguing the BBC should keep up reports that are incorrect?
If BBC verify went through reports prior to publication they wouldn't be news they'd be history. Everyone should be aware that first reports may contain errors.
You dismiss the possibility of the IDF committing war crimes. The only way we will know the truth is once forensic teams are allowed in to examine the bodies. Superficially the reports suggest the possibility of crimes. It isn't unknown for criminals to conceal bodies in graves. IDF exhumed the bodies from the mass graves near the hospitals, then reburied the bodies. It is certainly possible they added bodies, some evidence reported suggests that includes the bodies of executed detainees.
